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If the UFC had normal contracts - where each party is treated as an equal, so many of these issues would go away. Alvarez, Fedor and Cro Cop would be non issues, same with Sherk, Franklin, Trigg and the old Arlovski issues

About Lindland - plenty of people in the UFC have fucked up. Steriods, Rampage's rampage, narcotics, . . . Dana forgives some and doesn't forgive others. That was the second strait win where Lindland was supposed to get a title shot, and in the second win, he was put on the undercard. The writing was on the wall, Dana didn't want Matt to get the chance to be champ when Franklin was their champ

So Lindland (was ranked #1) and Tim Sylvia (repeat champ) should be on the outside forever because Dana doesn't like them? Barnett and Frank Shamrock should never fight again? Fedor would have to pick between Sambo and MMA?

Arlovski was a poorly paid champ (we were told the UFC would take care of them, not to worry). When he weighed his options elsewhere and didn't sign what Dana offered, they fucked him - telling someone they have a fight and cancelling it after they've been training for it is fucking them. Same with keeping him on ice just so someone else couldn't use them

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Ricco himself has come out and said that he has grown up now and that he burned the bridge with the UFC because of his immaturity (he was being advised by Tito of all people). They gave him a 2nd chance against Arlovski for the belt, and Ricco turned it down, citing it wasn't enough money. I don't think Ricco was in a position to dictate better terms than what was offered. Ricco really has no complaints as far as I've read from various sources.


Sherk and Franklin, we're going in circles on this one. If they aren't paid well, why do they return to the UFC and sign contracts that do not favor them? Why didn't' they just go to Pride, or King of the Cage, etc? The reason is because they both knew that UFC is the place to be and some times you pay your dues in order to move in in the company. They did so and now they are both stars.

About Randy, they absolutely gave him a 2nd chance. they could have forced him to sit out the rest of his career and in the end, owe the UFC money. They let him off the hook, that's why he signed and ate his words that he stood up for in the first place. Randy has to be relieved right now, that Dana White has some compassion and willing to bury the hatchet for the better of his organization and in the spirit of fair play some times.

He doesn't want Barnett, what's wrong with that? The guy left in shame the first time he was with the UFC, and wants to make a ton of money. Why should the UFC hire everyone? Maybe they just don't need him. Barnett has other options, don't see why Dana White is obligated to hire him.

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[quote=Adolf Oliverbush;96053]Fedor: Dana White has bent over back wards to try and sign the Russian star. He offered him well over a million dollars over what Fedor made at Affliction. Fedors management was too greedy and wanted too many concessions. No way Dana could give in to that. Fedor at fault for this one.
--Fedor is the best fighter in the world. If Dana were serious about wanting the best fighters in the world, he'd do what it takes. He's not serious about getting the best fighters in the world. He's interested in getting the best fighters that he can control. It's a fact. If that makes him a great man, then I guess he's a great man.

Arlovski: Dana White dropped the ball (nobody's perfect). The Pit Bull is a tremendous talent and hopefully in the near future he will be back.
--This is perhaps the first time I've seen you admit JB made even a minor mistake. Of course, it's not all that minor, considering how awful, almost embarrassing, the UFC HWT division is. I'll give you kudos for acknowledging one JB mistake.

CroCop: Not Dana's fault Mirko couldn't handle the competition in the UFC. White did everything he could in order to market the man, but ultimately had to be regulated to Jr varsity status. Hopefully he too will be back soon, refocused and ready to live up to the hype he received when he arrived.
--Don't think this is relevant. Mirko was in one of his historic down phases and fought terribly. JB didn't do anything to make this happen. JB gets a pass on this one.

Tim Sylvia: Keep this guy out of the UFC. He's slow, looks terrible, loses more than he wins lately and after his dismal performance in Affliction, we don't need him in the big leagues.
--I'm gonna have to disagree with you. Although I agree he's been more plodding than usual lately, he's still a very good HWT and the UFC needs all the talent they can get. They would be fortunate to have someone of his caliber back in the mix. It's also very unfortunate that JB badmouthed him so badly after he lost. The guy was good enough to fight for a title in his last UFC fight and very nearly win, but all of a sudden he's a bum. Typical JB.

Matt Lindland: You guys don't know about what Lindland did to get axed. Don't believe he wore a sponsor that was not approved on his shirt story. Much worse than that. Without getting into specifics, he's a regular Pete Rose. I'll leave it at that. The guy does not belong in the UFC and I was one of his biggest fans at one time.
--Without any evidence, I'm gonna have to hold off on commenting. Lindland is a great fighter and would have a decent shot at beating Silva. Considering the recent Rampage felonies, I would be very surprised if Lindland did something worse.

Frank Shamrock: What?? That guy needs to retire or stay in the minors. He s not UFC caliber, given the hefty price tag that he brings.
--It's not all about the money. JB disrespects anyone who doesn't toe his line. Shamrock is a legend in MMA, for good reason. Clearly, he's older, but considering JB brought back Couture and Tank Abbott, among many others, it's not an age issue. There are plenty of current UFC fighters who aren't as good as Shamrock, so maybe a lot of the UFC fighters aren't UFC caliber. Not a good argument.

Babalu: Another perennial underachiever. Decent gatekeeper type, but I wouldn't exactly lose sleep over not having him signed. A terrible sport in holding that choke that he got kicked out over. May as well bring Starnes and the flunky from last Ultimate fighter that got cut for his behavior and remarks on and after the show.
--Well, he did bring back Taylor, so that's an unusual comment. Others have done what Babalu did and worse. Again, we have to watch the behavior accusations with what JB favorite Rampage recently did. Babalu is clearly better than many UFC fighters.

Victor Belfort: One of my all time favorites. Watching him take Scott Ferozzo apart some 15 years ago was a beautiful display of skill and speed. Would love to see him back in the 185 pound weighty class. Mr. Dana White, as soon as Affliction folds, get the Phenom back in the UFC!
--Clearly belongs in the UFC.

It's not even an issue of whether or not any of the above are the best in their weight. It's an issue of whether or not they should be able to compete in the US. If you make JB mad, you don't get to fight in the US, if all of these companies fold. As an MMA fan, and not just a JB fan, that should bother you. This kind of thing doesn't happen in any other established sport. Can you picture David Stern kicking out Lebron b/c Lebron badmouthed one of Stern's policies? It's ridiculous, and yet some JB fans seem to accept this practice without question. It's bizarre, actually.

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Adolf Oliverbush

NBA Players are not allowed to badmouth referees or officials. Yes I could see Labron kicked out if he broke those rules.

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p-jersey

He would be suspended possibly but certainly not kicked out of the league.

Zapp Brannigan

They would if they constantly did so.

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p-jersey

I still find it hard to believe. Unless he was doing it on a nightly basis, I can not imagine them kicking their biggest superstar out of the league.

Adolf Oliverbush

The contracts are drawn up with moral clauses as well to the rule of not bad mouthing where it could be a detriment to the league. If some one breaks those rules, they will be gone. Those are the rules. Check Pac Man Jones for example in the NFL.

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Pimach

maybe in the media, but sit courtside at a game sometime, the refs get it bad from the players

p-jersey

Its still up to the commissioner to determine if that person should be kicked out of the league and for how long. Pac Man was suspended and then reinstated. Every case is judged on an individual basis there is not a hard line to rule on. Obviously a guy who is an average player would not be given the same leniency that someone like Brett favre would. Similarly a guy like Lebron James would have to do far more than the average player to get kicked out of the league.