No Deaths in the UFC, Please: Yves Lavigne Has Got to Go - Page 2

Pimach · 09-01-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush

I generally don't disagree with you a whole lot Big Man, but in this case I have to. The gesture was very ambiguous. No Tap!

I went back and watched it again just because of this thread and I can see why you would think that way, it wasnt the usual firm three taps but a weak attempt although he was going out and so it didnt pack as much.

Greco-ZAG · 09-01-2009, 09:36 AM

I too don't think it was clear, but there is more than just this incident to remove Lavigne.

p-jersey · 09-01-2009, 10:52 AM

I thought it was clear.

Adolf Oliverbush · 09-01-2009, 03:47 PM

And there you have it. The gesture was not clear at all. One could make an argument that it seemed like he was trying to tap, but then we're getting into mind reading and seeing the future. I think that enough respected members of this board have chimed in and we agree.

BTW Pimach thank you for being one of the few who will review an incident and call it how you see it with no agenda or pre conceived bias. It's a shame we can't say the same for most on here. I wont say any names.

Pimach · 09-01-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush

And there you have it. The gesture was not clear at all. One could make an argument that it seemed like he was trying to tap, but then we're getting into mind reading and seeing the future. I think that enough respected members of this board have chimed in and we agree.

BTW Pimach thank you for being one of the few who will review an incident and call it how you see it with no agenda or pre conceived bias. It's a shame we can't say the same for most on here. I wont say any names.

No problem OBC.

DingoBrigade · 09-01-2009, 06:32 PM

Lavigne isn't even the worst ref in the UFC, nor the 2nd worst, IMO. Maserati is the worst in the biz and Murgatroid is a competitive 2nd.
However, even McCarthy made mistakes. I don't think anyone is likely to die from a choke not stopped soon enough. I've been to several HS wrestling tourneys where kids bridged themselves into unconsciousness, complete with convulsions. They woke up confused and then were pissed that they were pinned, but they were ok. Lavigne is a middling ref, but this wasn't an egregious mistake.

arm-spin · 09-01-2009, 07:44 PM

a few random thoughts:

It would suck to be an MMA ref. Call it too soon and everyone gets mad, call it too late and you get blamed for people dying. In my mind, better to err on the side of caution.

Someone is going to get killed in the UFC eventually, good ref or not. Has to happen. I bet it's from a punch or kick, not a choke though.

I find it odd that the original article lamented the MMA fans who would be upset if Leben got killed, but didn't mention Chris Leben's family.

Adolf Oliverbush · 09-01-2009, 08:04 PM

Zag, where do we get licensed to be a UFC official? I'm thinking of sending in my resume and improving the reffing quality ten fold once i step into the octagon.

09-01-2009, 09:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
Greco-ZAG Round of 12 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 415	Re: No Deaths in the UFC, Please: Yves Lavigne Has Got to Go I too don't think it was clear, but there is more than just this incident to remove Lavigne.

09-01-2009, 10:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
p-jersey MMA Mod Supreme Join Date: May 2008 Location: Denver Posts: 3,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: No Deaths in the UFC, Please: Yves Lavigne Has Got to Go I thought it was clear. __________________ Denver, CO-Wrestling

09-01-2009, 03:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
Adolf Oliverbush Olympic Champ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 3,718	Re: No Deaths in the UFC, Please: Yves Lavigne Has Got to Go And there you have it. The gesture was not clear at all. One could make an argument that it seemed like he was trying to tap, but then we're getting into mind reading and seeing the future. I think that enough respected members of this board have chimed in and we agree. BTW Pimach thank you for being one of the few who will review an incident and call it how you see it with no agenda or pre conceived bias. It's a shame we can't say the same for most on here. I wont say any names. __________________ Lets go Brent!

09-01-2009, 06:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
DingoBrigade National Finalist Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 902	Re: No Deaths in the UFC, Please: Yves Lavigne Has Got to Go Lavigne isn't even the worst ref in the UFC, nor the 2nd worst, IMO. Maserati is the worst in the biz and Murgatroid is a competitive 2nd. However, even McCarthy made mistakes. I don't think anyone is likely to die from a choke not stopped soon enough. I've been to several HS wrestling tourneys where kids bridged themselves into unconsciousness, complete with convulsions. They woke up confused and then were pissed that they were pinned, but they were ok. Lavigne is a middling ref, but this wasn't an egregious mistake. __________________ I heart Jazzy B. White. Indianamat.com

09-01-2009, 07:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
arm-spin Olympic Champ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,136	Re: No Deaths in the UFC, Please: Yves Lavigne Has Got to Go a few random thoughts: It would suck to be an MMA ref. Call it too soon and everyone gets mad, call it too late and you get blamed for people dying. In my mind, better to err on the side of caution. Someone is going to get killed in the UFC eventually, good ref or not. Has to happen. I bet it's from a punch or kick, not a choke though. I find it odd that the original article lamented the MMA fans who would be upset if Leben got killed, but didn't mention Chris Leben's family.

09-01-2009, 08:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
Adolf Oliverbush Olympic Champ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 3,718	Re: No Deaths in the UFC, Please: Yves Lavigne Has Got to Go Zag, where do we get licensed to be a UFC official? I'm thinking of sending in my resume and improving the reffing quality ten fold once i step into the octagon. __________________ Lets go Brent!

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