Mousasi misled by M-1 management? - Page 6

Zapp Brannigan · 08-07-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by clmetal

Don't be dense. Someone from the UFC released it and only Dana or the Fertittas could authorize it. Considering that it was exaggerated, either someone made a mistake and no one checked it (yeah right) or the 3 owners pushed a bloated number, like their response to the "six digit contract"

Fedor either figures Dana had to be behind it because he proposed the terms or in refuting the story, perhaps Carmichael or whomever told him "that's what Dana told us/me"

And about Randy, I do know what I am talking about.

Iole wrote a story saying Randy was paid millions per fight and Randy said it wasn't true and opened his contract to show us.

You are talking about the signing bonus issue, a different issue where Couture didn't tell the truth and the UFC showed cashed checks.

I think that M-1 probably did what they are accused of doing with Mousasi - but if we say anything about the UFC and Dana, we need absolute proof. You're standards drop for the other guys.

My standards aren't dropping at all. The Mousasi thing here is something that has been brought up by legitimate MMA news sources, more then one. This "Dana released the information" thing is coming from you, an unconnected internet poster with a known vendetta against Dana. Tell me you can see the difference?

EDIT: I didn't say "you don't know what you're tlaking about", I said "I don't know what you're talking about." Can you link to this story where Iole was proven wrong by Randy in some issue?

DingoBrigade · 08-07-2009, 08:30 PM

Jazzy operates on a global scale. At best, Vadim is regional scum; Jazzy is a Klingon.

Zapp Brannigan · 08-07-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DingoBrigade

Jazzy operates on a global scale. At best, Vadim is regional scum; Jazzy is a Klingon.

According to Mr. Finklestein, he's quite the global player.

DingoBrigade · 08-07-2009, 08:48 PM

According to Jazzwell, he's a tough guy.

Also, let's not play coy and pretend that the UFC didn't leak those numbers. This is very much in line with one of their established M.O.'s. Jazzmaster is a huge control freak and he would be in an uproar about these numbers being bandied around if he didn't ok it.

I'll acknowledge that Vadim might be as shady as Jazzy, but it's like comparing the conscienceless thug on your block with Pol Pot.

Zapp Brannigan · 08-07-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DingoBrigade

According to Jazzwell, he's a tough guy.

Also, let's not play coy and pretend that the UFC didn't leak those numbers. This is very much in line with one of their established M.O.'s. Jazzmaster is a huge control freak and he would be in an uproar about these numbers being bandied around if he didn't ok it.

I'll acknowledge that Vadim might be as shady as Jazzy, but it's like comparing the conscienceless thug on your block with Pol Pot.

I know you hate Dana, but wow. Dana may be a ruthless business man, and you may think he has no morals when it comes to dealing with fighters, but Vadim is an actual criminal in the Mafia. They're on two completely different levels of shady. Whatever though, everyone has a right to their opinion.

DingoBrigade · 08-08-2009, 12:11 AM

The same ethics, or lack of ethics, apply. Lying is lying, strong-arming is strong-arming, bullying is bullying. I've heard allegations of Fertitta ties to organized crime, too. Vadim denies he has Russian mafia ties, so I'm a little dubious at your outrage.

clmetal · 08-08-2009, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

My standards aren't dropping at all. The Mousasi thing here is something that has been brought up by legitimate MMA news sources, more then one. This "Dana released the information" thing is coming from you, an unconnected internet poster with a known vendetta against Dana. Tell me you can see the difference?

EDIT: I didn't say "you don't know what you're tlaking about", I said "I don't know what you're talking about." Can you link to this story where Iole was proven wrong by Randy in some issue?

I will take a quick look. But in my experience, it's really hard to find old MMA stories (too many forum posts that can include search terms talking about different fighters)

I'll start by looking for Iole's story.

clmetal · 08-08-2009, 10:43 AM

I'm getting there (Iole's archive only goes back to 2008):

On Tuesday, Yahoo! Sports' Kevin Iole cited non-UFC sources claiming Couture's contract with the UFC was worth $13-15 million. Couture told Sherdog.com that his four-fight contract paid him $250,000 per fight in addition to guarantees on pay-per-view bonuses.

Late Wednesday, Couture's agent Matt Walker told Sherdog.com the figures reported by Yahoo! were "extremely inaccurate" based upon what Couture had been told were pay-per-view numbers from the UFC heavyweight champion's last two fights.

"When I first read the story on Yahoo! I actually laughed because they are so far from fact," said Walker.

"If he were getting $3.25-$3.75 million a fight then Randy's compensation would not be an issue," said the agent, who was lambasted by White as a Hollywood parasite after Couture announced his resignation on Oct. 11. "However, I can tell you those salary numbers for Randy are severely inflated and I would love to know where they got the information."

Yahoo! Sports' Iole told Sherdog.com on Thursday that he stands by his report.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...continues-9551

Now, which internet site can Dana pin this one on? Where are those “inflated numbers” coming from now? Oh, why they’re coming from the internet mouthpiece of the UFC right now, Yahoo! Sports. Who’s to blame now?
This is the last I hope we ever have to hear about these “crazy internet sites” from Dana anymore. When your own internet media mouthpiece has just been bitchslapped by Randy’s manager for reporting inflated numbers, you can no longer use the internet sites as a scapegoat.

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/...king-millions/

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

And here is Randy opening his contract:

While we heard nothing really new today at Randy Couture’s press conference, he did address the contract numbers reported by Yahoo! Sports a couple of weeks ago. Not only did he address them, he brought his UFC bout agreements to the press conference and passed them around for the reporters to see. Along with the $250,000 that he got for each fight, he said he usually receives around $500,000 in PPV revenue also. For you math enthusiasts, $750,000 does not equal $3.25-$3.75 million per fight.

the UFC and Dana White can no longer blame fan sites and MMA news sites for inflating fighter pay. He has nowhere else to look but Yahoo! Sports for making a claim like this.

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/...tures-presser/

08-07-2009, 08:30 PM	#52 (permalink)
DingoBrigade National Finalist Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 902	Re: Mousasi misled by M-1 management? Jazzy operates on a global scale. At best, Vadim is regional scum; Jazzy is a Klingon. __________________ I heart Jazzy B. White. Indianamat.com

08-07-2009, 08:48 PM	#54 (permalink)
DingoBrigade National Finalist Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 902	Re: Mousasi misled by M-1 management? According to Jazzwell, he's a tough guy. Also, let's not play coy and pretend that the UFC didn't leak those numbers. This is very much in line with one of their established M.O.'s. Jazzmaster is a huge control freak and he would be in an uproar about these numbers being bandied around if he didn't ok it. I'll acknowledge that Vadim might be as shady as Jazzy, but it's like comparing the conscienceless thug on your block with Pol Pot. __________________ I heart Jazzy B. White. Indianamat.com

08-08-2009, 12:11 AM	#56 (permalink)
DingoBrigade National Finalist Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 902	Re: Mousasi misled by M-1 management? The same ethics, or lack of ethics, apply. Lying is lying, strong-arming is strong-arming, bullying is bullying. I've heard allegations of Fertitta ties to organized crime, too. Vadim denies he has Russian mafia ties, so I'm a little dubious at your outrage. __________________ I heart Jazzy B. White. Indianamat.com

08-08-2009, 10:43 AM	#58 (permalink)
clmetal Olympic Champ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Philthadelphia, South America Posts: 2,990	Re: Mousasi misled by M-1 management? I'm getting there (Iole's archive only goes back to 2008): On Tuesday, Yahoo! Sports' Kevin Iole cited non-UFC sources claiming Couture's contract with the UFC was worth $13-15 million. Couture told Sherdog.com that his four-fight contract paid him $250,000 per fight in addition to guarantees on pay-per-view bonuses. Late Wednesday, Couture's agent Matt Walker told Sherdog.com the figures reported by Yahoo! were "extremely inaccurate" based upon what Couture had been told were pay-per-view numbers from the UFC heavyweight champion's last two fights. "When I first read the story on Yahoo! I actually laughed because they are so far from fact," said Walker. "If he were getting $3.25-$3.75 million a fight then Randy's compensation would not be an issue," said the agent, who was lambasted by White as a Hollywood parasite after Couture announced his resignation on Oct. 11. "However, I can tell you those salary numbers for Randy are severely inflated and I would love to know where they got the information." Yahoo! Sports' Iole told Sherdog.com on Thursday that he stands by his report. http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...continues-9551 Now, which internet site can Dana pin this one on? Where are those “inflated numbers” coming from now? Oh, why they’re coming from the internet mouthpiece of the UFC right now, Yahoo! Sports. Who’s to blame now? This is the last I hope we ever have to hear about these “crazy internet sites” from Dana anymore. When your own internet media mouthpiece has just been bitchslapped by Randy’s manager for reporting inflated numbers, you can no longer use the internet sites as a scapegoat. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/...king-millions/ http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns And here is Randy opening his contract: While we heard nothing really new today at Randy Couture’s press conference, he did address the contract numbers reported by Yahoo! Sports a couple of weeks ago. Not only did he address them, he brought his UFC bout agreements to the press conference and passed them around for the reporters to see. Along with the $250,000 that he got for each fight, he said he usually receives around $500,000 in PPV revenue also. For you math enthusiasts, $750,000 does not equal $3.25-$3.75 million per fight. the UFC and Dana White can no longer blame fan sites and MMA news sites for inflating fighter pay. He has nowhere else to look but Yahoo! Sports for making a claim like this. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/...tures-presser/ __________________ "I don’t give a f_ck about money, bro. Believe me when I tell you that." Dana White

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