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    I hate the idea of judging the fight based on who is trying to finish the fight.

    I think it is about who is controlling the fight and effectively using their skills regardless of whether it finishes the fight.

    Wanderlei probably tried to finish the fight more than franklin did but franklin had better skill, technique, accuracy and strategy. He landed more punches including power shots, avoided more punches, and for the most part made the fight take place at his pace and style.

    IMO, the goal of any sports competition is to win. Of course the most effective way to win is to finish your opponent. However you may not always be able to finish your opponent so rather then just wildly swinging for the fences you may need to use smart strategy and tactics that play to your strength and skillset. More and more i hear guys who are saying they would rather put on an exciting fight than win and i just cant buy into that mindset.

    I guess it comes down to whether you want to view it as a sports competition or sports entertainment.
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    I don't like the Pride judging either. It's even dumber, and leads to even dumber results like Nog over Ricco. You can't look at a certain series of events (a near submission) and decide that person wins the entire 15 minute fight, in my mind.
    I think Nog over Ricco wasn't due to their rules so much as it had to do with them wanting their guy to win. Of course they pointed to the "finish the fight" criteria but imo, when it comes to failed subs, you can't give too much credit. I had Ricco as the winner of that fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    I hate the idea of judging the fight based on who is trying to finish the fight.

    I think it is about who is controlling the fight and effectively using their skills regardless of whether it finishes the fight.

    Wanderlei probably tried to finish the fight more than franklin did but franklin had better skill, technique, accuracy and strategy. He landed more punches including power shots, avoided more punches, and for the most part made the fight take place at his pace and style.

    IMO, the goal of any sports competition is to win. Of course the most effective way to win is to finish your opponent. However you may not always be able to finish your opponent so rather then just wildly swinging for the fences you may need to use smart strategy and tactics that play to your strength and skillset. More and more i hear guys who are saying they would rather put on an exciting fight than win and i just cant buy into that mindset.

    I guess it comes down to whether you want to view it as a sports competition or sports entertainment.
    The UFC likes to see fight finished too and the fans like it. 2 of the 3 awards they give out require the recipient to win by stoppage.

    We see eye to eye on the submission angle, I would only give credit if you hurt someone with it (like Griffin on Edgar). But guys who box who aren't looking for a KO, I'd rather not see all those decisions.
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    I know the ufc likes to see fights stopped as the average fan likes to see that. Its the ufcs job to do whatever will bring in more fans.

    Boxing is part of fighting so i have no problem with a guy who is beating the crap out of the other guy but not necessarily looking to finish him. I also have no problem with wrestler who has greart control and can dominate the grappling and uses effective gnp, defends subs and avoids the striking with the kickboxer.

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    beating the crap out of the other guy is similar to trying to finish someone, but landing jabs and staying safely out of reach for the whole fight is a way to win, but not something the fans like. Bisping basically said that he fought Leben that way.
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    I have no problem with the way bisping fought. There was one way for leben and that was to make the fight into a brawl, and bisping took that option away from him.

    I like seeing lytle vs. burns types of fights but i also like seeing more technical fights where guys are using disciplined strategies.

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    Fightmetric numbers from Guida-Sanchez: http://fightmetric.com/fights/Sanchez-Guida.html

    Sanchez landed more power strikes from his back then Guida landed from on top.
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