Originally Posted by clmetal

i thought he won round 3 and even got the better of the standup.

who????

Originally Posted by Gantry

The right guy won the match but based on the "10 point must" system I think Guida won or tied at the worst. I don't think the first was 10-8 though I can see the reasoning...

If nothing else, can this fight finally start a serious debate about how flawed the 10 point must system is in a 3 period MMA match? It's crazy and it doesn't work...

The 10 point must system would be just fine if we would be more willing to award 10-10, 10-8, and 10-7 type rounds.

I don't think round one was 10-7 anyways, Guida came back to win part of the end of it. He lost the standup badly at the beginning and of course was dropped. but considering how rarely 10-8s are given out, this was not a 10-7.

!0-7 rounds occur in boxing when there are 2 knock downs in a round. These do happen. The 10 point must system is a problem in MMA. It just doesn't work very well, but a bigger problem than the scoring system is the judges in ability to accurately score the rounds or to be consistent. You have a judge occasionally scoring things right, but then the other 2 judges completely blow it. How good is the scoring when 2 of the 3 judges do things differently than what the rules state that things should be done? The judging needs a complete over haul.

Look no further then the Guida fight in discussion. Obviously Diego won round 1, and for argument's sake lets say Guida won round 2. How can you score both rounds 10-9? Diego won his roundm uch more convincingly then Guida did, but they both get the same value. That's why you start awarding 10-8's and 10-10's more liberally.

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Look no further then the Guida fight in discussion. Obviously Diego won round 1, and for argument's sake lets say Guida won round 2. How can you score both rounds 10-9? Diego won his roundm uch more convincingly then Guida did, but they both get the same value. That's why you start awarding 10-8's and 10-10's more liberally.

Or judge the whole fight like Pride did and give credit to guys trying to end the fight and I also think its natural to give an edge to the guy who wins the 2nd half of the fight.

In GSP-Penn 1, GSP won the 2nd two rounds mainly by lnp while BJ won the first round convincingly.

Originally Posted by clmetal

Or judge the whole fight like Pride did and give credit to guys trying to end the fight and I also think its natural to give an edge to the guy who wins the 2nd half of the fight.

In GSP-Penn 1, GSP won the 2nd two rounds mainly by lnp while BJ won the first round convincingly.

I don't like the Pride judging either. It's even dumber, and leads to even dumber results like Nog over Ricco. You can't look at a certain series of events (a near submission) and decide that person wins the entire 15 minute fight, in my mind.