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    Also GSP and Anderson Silva probably deserve consideration. Anderson was ranked #1 before his loss to Chonan (with wins over guys like Lee Murray and Horn) and is now at the top again. GSP has avenged all his loses
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    I think when GSPS career is over he will be in the top 2 with Fedor. His resume is already better than most of the guys on this list and he should continue to add to it.

    Having Monson in the top ten is laughable, as is having hoffman as honorable mention.

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    Dingo, you don't feel Royce belongs on the list? Given the time period, I think he belongs, he was the best guy in the early days of MMA.

    I'd say, in no order, a top 10 has to have: Royce, Fedor, Hughes, Minotauro Nogueira, Wandy, Chuck. Then, to cover the modern era of fighters, I'd say Anderson SIlva and GSP. That brings it up to 8. After that, maybe Frank Shamrock for being the first true "mixed" fighter, and then Sakuraba.
    No, I don't feel that Royce belongs in a top-10 or top-20 list. He was dominant in a frontier-era, with hand-picked opponents for the most part. He would belong on a pioneer/innovator list, but I firmly believe he wouldn't be a top-10 fighter at this weight in the modern era, even in his prime.

    As much as I love Sakuraba, I'm dubious about adding him to an all-time list. Like many of those listed, he would belong on an innovator list--clearly one of the best pure MMA grapplers of all-time and a master of the single leg, but not an extremely well-rounded fighter. The guy could take brutal beatings, was a showman par excellence and absolutely created the technique of allowing his opponent to have his back to generate offense of this own.....but not one of the 10 or 20 most accomplished fighters ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
    No, I don't feel that Royce belongs in a top-10 or top-20 list. He was dominant in a frontier-era, with hand-picked opponents for the most part. He would belong on a pioneer/innovator list, but I firmly believe he wouldn't be a top-10 fighter at this weight in the modern era, even in his prime.

    As much as I love Sakuraba, I'm dubious about adding him to an all-time list. Like many of those listed, he would belong on an innovator list--clearly one of the best pure MMA grapplers of all-time and a master of the single leg, but not an extremely well-rounded fighter. The guy could take brutal beatings, was a showman par excellence and absolutely created the technique of allowing his opponent to have his back to generate offense of this own.....but not one of the 10 or 20 most accomplished fighters ever.
    Fair points all, Dingo. I am persuaded by your Sakuraba argument, but I think you're being a bit harsh on Royce. He was in a pioneer era, but that was his era. It's only fair to really judge the fighters by their era, isn't it? I mean, Babe Ruth probably isn't hitting 500 home runs in the modern era, but we can't hold him to that standard.
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    Fair points all, Dingo. I am persuaded by your Sakuraba argument, but I think you're being a bit harsh on Royce. He was in a pioneer era, but that was his era. It's only fair to really judge the fighters by their era, isn't it? I mean, Babe Ruth probably isn't hitting 500 home runs in the modern era, but we can't hold him to that standard.
    That's true, but Royce also hung up 'em up when the pool of talent got increasingly better. He essentially quit when Ken Shamrock fought him to a draw in 95.

    When he beat Shamrock in UFC 1, it was Ken's second non-Pancrase MMA fight (first was the same day against Pat Smith); he gained enough ground in 2 years to stop Royce from beating him again.

    Royce's use of the gi, his father's hand-picking his competitors (including 50 year old rookie Ron Van Clief), his retirement before he fought anyone with any experience and talent...later, his convincing losses to Sak and Hughes (even using roids vs. Hughes)....it just doesn't add up to an all-time best of the best-type fighter.

    Not trying to be a Royce-hater, but I liken his early success to Gracie playing a complicated game in which he was the only one who knew the rules. Yes it was very impressive to see a smaller guy dominate bigger guys....but the playing field still wasn't level. I think he'd be #1 on the all-time pioneer list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
    That's true, but Royce also hung up 'em up when the pool of talent got increasingly better. He essentially quit when Ken Shamrock fought him to a draw in 95.

    When he beat Shamrock in UFC 1, it was Ken's second non-Pancrase MMA fight (first was the same day against Pat Smith); he gained enough ground in 2 years to stop Royce from beating him again.

    Royce's use of the gi, his father's hand-picking his competitors (including 50 year old rookie Ron Van Clief), his retirement before he fought anyone with any experience and talent...later, his convincing losses to Sak and Hughes (even using roids vs. Hughes)....it just doesn't add up to an all-time best of the best-type fighter.

    Not trying to be a Royce-hater, but I liken his early success to Gracie playing a complicated game in which he was the only one who knew the rules. Yes it was very impressive to see a smaller guy dominate bigger guys....but the playing field still wasn't level. I think he'd be #1 on the all-time pioneer list.
    Pretty convincing argument, Dingo. I'm rethinking my position as we speak, which doesn't happen often!
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    Pretty convincing argument, Dingo. I'm rethinking my position as we speak, which doesn't happen often!
    Wow, I'm both shocked and flattered. I wanted to clarify one thing though....Obviously, Ken Shamwow was a talented and experienced fighter when he fought Royce to a draw.

    All of this is just my assessment of these guys purely as fighters. Innovators and pioneers are incredibly important to any sport (Lyoto seems to have created a new path most recently), and groundbreakers seem to hold a special place in fans' hearts.
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