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    Star Why Cant Dana White Take Pride in Pride?

    Is it just an accident, a coincidence, a fickle twist of fate, that all of the fighters brought over from Pride have failed miserably?

    Except for the Americans, that is. North and South of course.

    One look at the UFC roster and you see a Successful Rampage, Wanderlei, Henderson, and Silva stick out like bright beacons whereas fighters such as Rhyo Chonan, Denis Kang, and Mirco Cro-Cop have failed miserably in the transition.

    Is it just a coincidence that the same result occurred and dashed American hopes when they traveled to Japan to represent the UFC? Chuck Liddell ring any bells?

    Now many American fighters did find success in Pride and Japan. Namely Josh “The Punk” Thompson, Phil Baroni, The aforementioned Rampage, and Henderson. Wanderlei, it seems, could fight on the moon and do well.

    I’m not sure if that is the primary reason that many Pride fighters have fallen short in the Octagon.

    I mean Denis Kang? The guy fights well; he wasn’t himself here at all. I have to believe it has to do with Dana expecting everyone of these fighters to basically relocate to Las Vegas or have no chance.

    All I can say is that its fortunate that Dana is stupid because if he ever combined his idiocy, unending perseverance, with actual intelligence we would have a new Dr. Evil on our hands...a real one.

    Now I have to ask you, gentle reader, what did Dana accomplish by acquiring Pride? He got a bunch of contracts a few that paid off. One that sits on the middleweight title like its an egg.

    A guy who is a living legend in Wanderlei that they can use, abuse, and mangle his legacy if at all possible. Dana will squeeze him until there is nothing left, then dump him off the side of I-40 somewhere.

    Finally, Rampage who had found renewed life here in the UFC and must be happy he doesn’t have to live in Nagoya anymore.

    Was anything else accomplished? Did Dana wipe out the competition? Did he even dent it?

    Fact is that Dana could not stop MMA productions no matter when he does. He cant get a patent on the Octagon. And There are the obvious organizations to point at: DREAM, Strikeforce, Affliction, etc.…but they are all collectively just a drop in the MMA bucket.

    That’s right: look around there is probably an event in your home town. Support local MMA shows, give alternative venues a chance, and plant the seeds of future competition.

    In order to help you, I have listed a calendar of upcoming events for the rest of the year. I will list the professional events and then the Amateur. I think you will see that Dana can take Pride in a lot of things, but owning MMA isn’t one of them.









    5/22/2009

    CFC 8

    Light Heavyweight Grand Prix

    Big Top Stadium,
    Sydney, Australia

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    Matchups:

    CFC Light Heavyweight Grand Prix

    Antonio Mendes
    Anthony Perosh
    James Te Huna
    Priscus Fogagnolo
    Matthew Dwight
    David Frendin
    Antony Rea
    Nate Carey

    Non-Tournament Bouts
    Matt Cain vs. Luke Picklum









    5/23

    UFC 98





    Matchups:

    UFC Light Heavyweight Championship

    Rashad Evans (No. 1 LHW, No. 6 PFP) vs. Lyoto Machida (No. 4 LHW)

    Matt Hughes (No. 10 WW) vs. Matt Serra
    Dan Miller vs. Chael Sonnen
    Sean Sherk (No. 6 LW) vs. Frankie Edgar
    Phillipe Nover vs. Kyle Bradley
    Chris Wilson vs. Brock Larson
    Patrick Barry vs. Tim Hague
    Drew McFedries vs. Xavier Foupa-Pokam
    Yoshiyuki Yoshida vs. Brandon Wolff
    David Kaplan vs. George Roop
    Andre Gusmao vs. Krzysztof Soszynski









    5/23/2009

    SWC 6

    Supreme Warrior Challenge 6

    Frisco Convention Center,
    Frisco, Texas

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    News:

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    SWC 6 Fight Card [05/14/2009]




    Matchups:





    Bobby Corpuz vs. Jimmy Guzman
    Isaac Villanueza vs. Crae Basset
    Brooklyn Huntsman vs. Jason Evola
    Daniel Sensintaffer vs. Chris Velasquez
    James Hubbard vs. Lex Pappas
    Samuel Moore vs. Paco Castillo
    Marquez Daniels vs. Jesus Rivera
    Tony Melton vs. Nick Smith
    Brandon Smith vs. TBA
    Davis Sylvester vs. TBA









    5/24/2009

    ZST

    ZST 20

    Differ Ariake Arena,
    Tokyo

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    News:

    »

    ZST 20 Fight Card [05/06/2009]




    Matchups:

    ZST Bantamweight Championship

    Keisuke Fujiwara vs. Yuichiro Shirai

    Naoyuki Kotani vs. Kuniyoshi Hironaka
    Takumi Yano vs. Kenichi Ito
    Osami Shibuya vs. TBA
    Shunichi Shimizu vs. TBA









    5/26/2009

    Dream

    Dream 9

    Yokohama Arena,
    Yokohama, Japan

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    News:

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    Dream 9 Fight Card [04/30/2009]
    » Dream 9 Fight Card [04/24/2009]
    » Dream 9 Fight Card [04/13/2009]




    Matchups:

    Dream Featherweight Grand Prix

    Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto vs. Joe Warren
    Hideo Tokoro vs. Abel Cullum
    Yoshiro Maeda vs. Hiroyuki Takaya
    Masakazu Imanari (No. 8 FW) vs. Bibiano Fernandes

    Dream Middleweight Championship
    Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza vs. Jason "Mayhem" Miller

    Dream Super Hulk Tournament
    Gegard Mousasi (No. 3 MW) vs. Mark Hunt
    Bob Sapp vs. Ikuhisa Minowa
    Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Jan Nortje
    Hong Man Choi vs. Jose Canseco

    Non-Tournament Bouts
    Gesias "JZ" Cavalcante (No. 5 LW) vs. Tatsuya Kawajiri









    5/30/2009

    War Gods

    War Gods 5

    Viejas Outlet Center,
    Alpine, Calif.

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    News:

    »

    War Gods 5 Fight Card [04/29/2009]
    » War Gods 5 Fight Card [04/21/2009]




    Matchups:





    Vernon White vs. Lew Polley
    Kit Cope vs. Andy Wang
    David Gardner vs. Joe Duarte
    Bryan Travers vs. Tom Belt
    Tarec Saffiedine vs. Ashe Bowman
    Mike Moreno vs. Derek Thornton
    Salah Zabian vs. Tony Johnson
    Bailey Byne vs. Joey Gibran Alvarez
    Ryan Shamrock vs. TBA









    5/30/2009

    KOTC

    Retribution 2

    Inn of the Mountain Gods Resort and Casino,
    Mascalero, N.M.

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    News:

    »

    KOTC: Retribution 2 Fight Card [04/09/2009]




    Matchups:





    Angelo Sanchez vs. Donald Sanchez
    Tony Bonello vs. Lance Friedenstein
    Coty Wheeler vs. TBA









    5/30/2009

    The Fight Club 7

    Full Throttle

    Shaw Conference Centre,
    Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

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    News:

    »

    The Fight Club 7 Fight Card [05/06/2009]




    Matchups:





    Ryan Ford vs. Dave Mazany
    Chris Ade vs. Lenny Wheeler
    Jason Gorny vs. Ryan Lacasse
    Chuck Pelc vs. Chase Dagenhardt
    Jorge Ravanal Jr. vs. Leo Ahmed
    Kevin Dolan vs. Ben Arlow
    Mitch Clarke vs. Adam Hunspurger
    Victor Valimaki vs. TBA
    Luke Harris vs. TBA
    Levi Kump vs. TBA









    5/30/2009

    Desert Rage

    Desert Rage 5

    Cocopah Casino,
    Somerton, Ariz.

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    News:

    »

    Desert Rage 5 Fight Card [05/14/2009]




    Matchups:





    Chance Farrar vs. Ernie Davila
    Alex Garcia vs. Landon Piercey
    Kenny Raught vs. Matt Taira
    Mike Cypher vs. Ruben Salazar
    Zach Syrdica vs. Joe Diaz
    Joey Lugo vs. Matt Mamolen
    Gabe Rios vs. Justin Lillies
    Carlos Figueroa vs. Ceasar Alvarez
    Mike Garcia vs. Juan Saenz
    Jeff Welsing vs. Kenneth Ames
    Josh VanDenburg vs. Matt Lagler
    Tyler Bialecki vs. Donald Molineres
    Jose Carbajal vs. Justin Gallegos









    5/31/2009

    Gladiator Challenge

    Put Up or Shut Up

    Konocti Vista Resort and Casino,
    Lakeport, Calif.

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    News:

    »

    Gladiator Challenge: Put Up or Shut Up Fight Card [04/07/2009]




    Matchups:

    Rick Vardell vs. Josh Appett
    Tim Hausler vs. Bono Laupau











    6/6/2009

    Cage Gladiators

    Cage Gladiators 12

    Liverpool Olympia,
    Liverpool, England

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    News:

    »

    Cage Gladiators 12 Fight Card [05/15/2009]




    Matchups:

    Cage Gladiators British Featherweight Championship

    Ashleigh Grimshaw vs. Vaughn Harvey

    Cage Gladiators Bantamweight Championship
    James Doolan vs. James McGuiness

    Rob Sinclair vs. Alexandre Izidro
    Luke Smith vs. Aaron Wilkinson
    Mick Sinclair vs. AJ Wenn
    Kev Axworthy vs. Alex Makonin
    Richie Downes vs. Colm Gillane
    James Gladden vs. Lee Doski
    Richie Ryder vs. Mike Edwards
    Mark Glover vs. Harvey Harra
    Chris Garry vs. Antony Murphy
    James Manning vs. Tom Morris
    Sean Jones vs. Darren Moore
    Eugene Fadiora vs. TBA
    Danny Withington vs. TBA









    6/6/2009

    Strikeforce

    Lawler vs. Shields

    Scottrade Center,
    St. Louis

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    News:

    »

    Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields Fight Card [05/10/2009]
    » Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields Fight Card [04/29/2009]
    » Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields Fight Card [04/24/2009]
    » Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields Fight Card [04/21/2009]
    » Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields Fight Card [04/03/2009]




    Matchups:





    Robbie Lawler (No. 5 MW) vs. Jake Shields (No. 4 WW)
    Nick Diaz vs. Scott Smith
    Kevin Randleman vs. Mike Whitehead
    Phil Baroni vs. Joe Riggs
    Rafael Cavalcante vs. Jared Hamman
    Jesse Finney vs. Josh Baumgartner
    Tyron Woodley vs. Sal Woods
    Scott Ventimiglia vs. Lucas Lopes
    Pat Benson vs. Dave Lehr Cochran
    Booker DeRousse vs. James Wade









    6/6/2009

    Vengeance Fighting Championship

    Proving Ground

    Renaissance Aruba Resort and Casino,
    Oranjestad, Aruba

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    News:

    »

    VFC: Proving Ground Fight Card [04/29/2009]




    Matchups:





    Jeff Monson vs. Chase Gormley
    Sam McCoy vs. Ovince St. Preux
    Ryan L’Amoreaux vs. Chris Jensen









    6/6/2009

    Wild Bill's

    Fight Night 15

    Wild Bill’s Atlanta,
    Duluth, Ga.

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    News:

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    Wild Bill's Fight Night 15 Fight Card [05/12/2009]




    Matchups:





    Frank Millsap vs. Ran Weathers









    6/6/2009

    Carolina Fight Promotions

    Clash at the Coast 3

    Schwartz Center,
    Wilmington, N.C.

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    News:

    »

    Carolina Fight Promotions: Clash at the Coast 3 Fight Card [05/12/2009]




    Matchups:

    Bill Childs vs.

    Brandon Garner
    Roger Carroll vs. Jake Whitfield
    Valentin Bueno vs. Bryan Bloodworth









    6/6/2009

    Absolute Fighting Alliance 1

    Unleash Hell

    Piere’s,
    Fort Wayne, Ind.

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    News:

    »

    Absolute Fighting Alliance 1: Unleash Hell Fight Card [05/12/2009]




    Matchups:





    Ron Faircloth vs. Dan Bolden
    Rocky France vs. Jason Gilliam
    Bobby Martinez vs. William Bennett
    Anton Talamantes vs. Braden Bice
    Jimmy Porretta vs. Keith Miner
    Mike Skinner vs. Josh Carter









    6/7/2009

    WEC 41

    Brown vs. Faber 2

    Arco Arena,
    Sacramento Calif.

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    News:

    »

    WEC 41 Fight Card [04/29/2009]
    » WEC 41 Fight Card [04/07/2009]
    » WEC 41 Fight Card [03/26/2009]




    Matchups:

    WEC Featherweight Championship

    Mike Thomas Brown (No. 1 FW, No. 8 PFP) vs. Urijah Faber (No. 2 FW)

    Jose Aldo (No. 7 FW) vs. Cub Swanson
    Donald Cerrone vs. James Krause
    Jens Pulver vs. Josh Grispi
    Manny Gamburyan vs. John Franchi
    Mike Campbell vs. Anthony Pettis
    Scott Jorgensen vs. Antonio Banuelos
    Eddie Wineland vs. Frank Gomez
    Rolando Perez vs. Seth Dikun
    Charlie Valencia vs. Kyle Dietz









    6/7/2009

    Pancrase

    Changing Tour 3

    Differ Ariake Arena,
    Tokyo

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    News:

    »

    Pancrase: Changing Tour 3 Fight Card [04/29/2009]
    » Pancrase: Changing Tour 3 Fight Card [04/09/2009]




    Matchups:

    Flyweight King of Pancrase

    Mitsuhisa Sunabe vs. Takuya Eizumi

    Satoru Kitaoka (No. 8 LW) vs. Yukio Sakaguchi
    Ryo Kawamura vs. Yukiya Naito
    Seiya Kawahara vs. Tatsuya So
    Daisuke Tsujita vs. Yuki Yashima
    Takuma Ishii vs. Kiyotaka Shimizu
    Taro Shimazaki vs. Ryota Sasaki
    Nobuhiro Yoshitake vs. Ranki Kawana
    Shigeyuki Uchiyama vs. Hiroshi Tomita
    Yasutomo Tanaka vs. Akira Saito
    Keigo Hirayama vs. Hiro Tomiyama
    Koji Nakamura vs. Isao Kobayashi









    6/7/2009

    Fight Circuit MMA

    Victorious

    Mavericks Stadium,
    Adelanto, Calif.

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    News:

    »

    Fight Circuit MMA Fight Card [05/15/2009]










    6/11/2009

    KOTC

    Militia

    San Manuel Indian Bingo and Casino,
    Highland, Calif.

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    News:

    »

    KOTC: Militia Fight Card [04/03/2009]




    Matchups:





    Thomas Denny vs. Alberto Crane
    Michael Guymon vs. Quinn Mulhern









    6/12/2009

    ROC 25

    Ring of Combat 25

    Tropicana Resort and Casino,
    Atlantic City, N.J.

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    News:

    »

    Ring of Combat 25 Fight Card [05/12/2009]




    Matchups:

    Ring of Combat Middleweight Championship

    Rafael Natal vs. Sean Salmon

    Ring of Combat Light Heavyweight Championship
    Ricardo Romero vs. Glen Sandull

    Marc Berracol vs. Radji Bryson-Barrett
    David Church vs. John Salgado
    Jim Bova vs. Nabih Barakat
    Anthony Abatelli vs. George Sullivan
    Ryan Laflare vs. Robert Cunane
    John Doyle vs. Andrew Riddles
    Gian Villante vs. Joe Abouata
    Ed Fyvie vs. Dom Stanco
    Al Iquinta vs. Tim Sylvester









    6/13/2009

    UFC 99

    The Comeback

    Lanxess Arena,
    Cologne, Germany

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    Matchups:





    Rich Franklin vs. Wanderlei Silva (No. 6 LHW)
    Mike Swick vs. Ben Saunders
    Dan Hardy vs. Marcus Davis
    Spencer Fisher vs. Caol Uno
    Cain Velasquez vs. Heath Herring
    Terry Etim vs. Justin Buchholz
    Stefan Struve vs. Denis Stojnic
    Dale Hartt vs. Dennis Siver
    Mustapha al Turk vs. Todd Duffee
    Paul Taylor vs. Peter Sobotta
    Paul Kelly vs. Roli Delgado
    John Hathaway vs. Ricky Story









    6/13/2009

    Warrior-1 MMA

    Unplugged

    Baribeau Arena,
    Gatineau, Quebec

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    News:

    »

    Warrior-1 MMA: Unplugged Fight Card [05/06/2009]
    » Warrior-1 MMA: Unplugged Fight Card [04/24/2009]




    Matchups:





    Bill Mahood vs. Craig Brown
    Jason St. Louis vs. Mark Holst
    Hosier Bruno vs. Andres Desrochers
    Iraj Hadin vs. Sean Pierson
    John Fraser vs. Jeff Harrison
    Tom Waters vs. Mustafa Khalil
    Tommy Pariseau vs. Stephane Bernadel
    Chris Kruger vs. Andrew del Degan
    Chris Boisvert vs. Eric Girard
    Doug Keays vs. Sean Kim
    Luc Nadeau vs. Sameeh Sale









    6/13/2009

    FX3

    Rough Justice

    York Hall,
    Bethnal Green, England

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    News:

    »

    FX3: Rough Justice Fight Card [05/15/2009]




    Matchups:

    FX3 World Light Heavyweight Championship

    Jake Bostwick vs. Greg Siwy

    FX3 British Welterweight Championship
    Joe Mac vs. Scott Jansen

    Sami Berik vs. Jean Silva
    Neil McLeod vs. Mark Handley
    Damien Grabowski vs. Gary Rawlings
    Suley Mahmoud vs. Jakob Grzegorzek
    Ryan White vs. Earl Brown
    Chris Woolcot vs. Stuart Rickman
    Glen Reid vs. Dave Rintall
    Michael Johnson vs. Jacob Lewis Williams
    Adam Grew vs. Jason Barrett
    Pete Mercer vs. TBA









    /19/2009

    GFC 2

    Unstoppable

    Albuquerque Convention Center,
    Albuquerque, N.M.

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    News:

    »

    GFC 2: Unstoppable Fight Card [04/24/2009]




    Matchups:





    Nate Mohr vs. Lenny Lovato
    Tim Means vs. Richard Villa









    6/19/2009

    ShoMMA

    Strikeforce Challenger Series 2

    ShoWare Center,
    Kent, Wash.

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    News:

    »

    ShoMMA: Strikeforce Challenger Series 2 Fight Card [05/06/2009]
    » ShoMMA: Strikeforce Challenger Series 2 Fight Card [05/05/2009]




    Matchups:





    Joey Villasenor vs. Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos
    Jorge Gurgel vs. TBA









    6/20/2009

    UFC

    Ultimate Fighter 9 Finale

    Palms Casino Resort,
    Las Vegas

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    Matchups:





    Diego Sanchez vs. Clay Guida
    Nate Diaz vs. Joe Stevenson
    Anthony Johnson vs. Matt Brown
    Chris Lytle vs. Kevin Burns
    Mike Ciesnolevicz vs. Tomasz Drwal
    Brad Blackburn vs. Edgar Garcia
    Gleison Tibau vs. Melvin Guillard










    6/20/2009

    SWC 7


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    Default Re: Why Cant Dana White Take Pride in Pride?

    You lost me at:

    "One look at the UFC roster and you see a Successful Rampage, Wanderlei..."
    Lets go Brent!

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    Default Re: Why Cant Dana White Take Pride in Pride?

    Yea that was odd. Wanderlei is 1-2 UFC including a brutal knockout at the hands of Rampage. Then he says kang was a miserable failure despite being 1-1 in the ufc.

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    Default Re: Why Cant Dana White Take Pride in Pride?

    :jersey: who is the first victim on the podcast? Did Claudale agree to your terms?
    RIP Jacob Schlottke; KR1963 and rpayton




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    Default Re: Why Cant Dana White Take Pride in Pride?

    LOL, yeah whats the deal? are you gonna set up a thread to announce it or what?
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    Default Re: Why Cant Dana White Take Pride in Pride?

    The UFC bought Pride so no one else would buy them. It would be easier for a billionaire (like Cuban, Trump or the guy from Bodog) to revamp an organization with a loyal fan base, a recognized name and highlight reels than it would be to start from scatch.

    The UFC paid $65m to shelf this company- they could have used that money to bid for any fighter they wanted or paid Pride to release them from their contracts. It wasn't about paying for contracts/fighters.

    Also Rampage was bought from the WFA and some fighters like Nog, CC and Silva came before Pride was purchased.
    "I don?t give a f_ck about money, bro. Believe me when I tell you that." Dana White

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    Default Re: Why Cant Dana White Take Pride in Pride?

    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    The UFC bought Pride so no one else would buy them. It would be easier for a billionaire (like Cuban, Trump or the guy from Bodog) to revamp an organization with a loyal fan base, a recognized name and highlight reels than it would be to start from scatch.

    The UFC paid $65m to shelf this company- they could have used that money to bid for any fighter they wanted or paid Pride to release them from their contracts. It wasn't about paying for contracts/fighters.

    Also Rampage was bought from the WFA and some fighters like Nog, CC and Silva came before Pride was purchased.
    this is what Vince McMahon did with WCW, he bought his biggest competition and killed it so that noone else would get it. Dana is just following his hero, next thing you know hes gonna be challenging his fighters to televised matches.
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