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    I think its a little over the top to suggest gsps improvement is mainly because of the steroids.

    To me he is like a barry bonds or manny ramirez where they would have been great regardless of whether they took anything.

    A lot of guys have taken stuff and very few if any are as athletic as gsp, have continued to develop in all areas as gsp and have his work ethic.

    He is rich now and has the resources to seek out the most expensive drugs even when he was an unknown fighter he was still a great athlete with a high skill level and a very good fighter.

    Of course the drugs would help particularly with recovery time and being able to train as hard as he does. But he seeks out the best trainers, coaches, and teammates, he is incredibly disciplined and as i mentioned already a great athlete. Even with the juice you still have to be able to develop the skills and techniques and gsp has done that becoming a better takedown wrestler than national champs, and also becoming a black belt in bjj while also being a dangerous striker.

    A guy like Alves seems to have benefitted much more from roids. I havent seen his skills improve that dramatically. He still uses only stand, and his striking while dangerous is not techincially supreme particularly his defense. The main difference is that he has grown significantly which makes his takedown defense anda bility to get off his back that much better. He also has more power with his strikes.

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    I think claudale is somewhere around 155-160.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    I think its a little over the top to suggest gsps improvement is mainly because of the steroids.

    To me he is like a barry bonds or manny ramirez where they would have been great regardless of whether they took anything.

    A lot of guys have taken stuff and very few if any are as athletic as gsp, have continued to develop in all areas as gsp and have his work ethic.

    He is rich now and has the resources to seek out the most expensive drugs even when he was an unknown fighter he was still a great athlete with a high skill level and a very good fighter.

    Of course the drugs would help particularly with recovery time and being able to train as hard as he does. But he seeks out the best trainers, coaches, and teammates, he is incredibly disciplined and as i mentioned already a great athlete. Even with the juice you still have to be able to develop the skills and techniques and gsp has done that becoming a better takedown wrestler than national champs, and also becoming a black belt in bjj while also being a dangerous striker.

    A guy like Alves seems to have benefitted much more from roids. I havent seen his skills improve that dramatically. He still uses only stand, and his striking while dangerous is not techincially supreme particularly his defense. The main difference is that he has grown significantly which makes his takedown defense anda bility to get off his back that much better. He also has more power with his strikes.
    Excellent post pj.

    When you have all the athletic talent in the world and are willing to learn/pay the price, the PED's tend to allow one to reach the very highest levels. So how is a guy who is solid, works hard and has a great team, but doesn't use the PED's, going to compete with a guy like GSP? The answer is he can't. He has to decide to either get on them too or switch weight classes and hope the guy in his new weight class isn't also using. Tough choice. I can definitely see the domino effect where these guys start feeling like they have to do this stuff in order to make it.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Well if GSP is using the stuff, and it certainly wouldnt surprise me, than it would be an unfair advantage and I could see it leading to other guys doing it. I think most of the guys at the top are using so gsp doesnt have an advantage in that case. At this point though it is just clear speculation whether he does or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    Just clariying that's what happened.

    You talk a lot more about business and less about judo than you used to.
    I post here a lot less than I used to Claudale and that's because I am trying to take my company to the next level. Also, I've been dating strippers, (thank pj for that) and I find myself very busy trying to service them all, (for this I do use performance enhancers). The Judo has taken a back seat. Unfortunately the reality is that the window is closing on me doing that much at all anymore.
    Lets go Brent!

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    PJ - I'm 10 pounds more than that.

    Obviously GSP is not just roids (especially if we are agreeing that everyone does them).

    People have talked about his back acne and tits for a while now, but he has such a hardcore group of fans that those discussions get drowned out.

    Alves has just ballooned in front of our eyes - as Adolf says, we saw him lose to Spencer Fisher. Imagine those two now? He's twice as big as he was.

    I like this matchup because not only is Alves a threat, but he won't let GSP outjuice him.

    Like the old tryouts for the East German olympics teams, this can also be viewed as a battle of science.
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    If GSP is using I think it is drugs that help with recovery time and endurance. They are harder to test for and more beneficial for training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    Well if GSP is using the stuff, and it certainly wouldnt surprise me, than it would be an unfair advantage and I could see it leading to other guys doing it. I think most of the guys at the top are using so gsp doesnt have an advantage in that case. At this point though it is just clear speculation whether he does or not.
    While it is speculation, I have heard it mentioned around the water fountain at the MMA gym that I attend. I'm not saying there is proof, but he's one of the guys who gets brought up when that discussion comes up. Koscheck accused him of it in an interview when the whole grease gate thing happened.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    I post here a lot less than I used to Claudale and that's because I am trying to take my company to the next level. Also, I've been dating strippers, (thank pj for that) and I find myself very busy trying to service them all, (for this I do use performance enhancers). The Judo has taken a back seat. Unfortunately the reality is that the window is closing on me doing that much at all anymore.
    Figured that much about the judo. You must have lost some muscle too if you are eating less and working out less. Judo gets harder with age.

    You've always been honest about that performance enhancer. Stippers is the easy route for a loaded guy like you. Imagine you toss a lot of loot around when you go in a strip club.
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