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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    Vak attack is a self admitted troll so its hard for me to take him seriously. If he is not trolling he is just being a homer (any subject related to iowa wrestling, florida, brett farve, dana white etc) or just lawyering the board. He obviously is a smart guy but i honestly cant tell if he has ever given us his real objective opinion.

    Very similar to claudale in that he always has a bias against ufc, always props up judo, and despite being from jersey reps pennsylvania.
    I picked wrestling over judo for my kids for starters - they wrestle in both states, but they are from PA.

    My teams are Seton Hall, the Devils and the Nets - bet yours are the Flyers, 76ers and Villanova. and Seton Hall was my faorite wrestling team and it was nearly all NJ guys.

    Bias against the UFC? I don't want them to be the only mma org (like Adolf and VAK) but what else? You use that to try and force me to say nice things - If I called one of their cards below average (which half of them will be by definition) you would get all pissy about it. I'll adopt Goldberg's style and claim each and every card is the new greatest and most important of all time.

    My opinion on everything about the UFC other than their management tactics is objective. And even that I talk about much less than I used to. You have burn in from old themat conversations.

    BTW - did VAK have a problem with the UFC main event being at a catchweight? I remember him discounting the Strikeforce main event a week earlier for that reason.
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    Wow nice delayed response.

    I do support philly teams professionaly but that is because that is the teams that are covered by the media in south jersey. You are already on record as saying i am a jersey homer.

    Im sure vak thought it had a huge impact on both the 185 and 205 lb weight classes.

    I too like watchign other orgs and root for their success. You just are very hard to please when it comes to cards. A lot of that has to do with you not having interests in fighters you dont know. Since you dont know that many fighters anymore its somewhat understandable.

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    I only read it now that the thread was bumped.

    I wouldn't accuse you of being a UFC-only fan other than in a tongue-in-cheek manner. But since you do it to me, . . . .

    I know South Jersey loved Philadelphia teams as much as anywhere. I switched to NJ teams once they got those teams.

    How am I so hard to please? I've complimented many of their recent cards and I can't honestly say most cards about above average and understand what I am saying.

    I said the reality show and cards in general are better than they used to be. I've also said their production is way better than Affliction's. How much more are you expecting before I can be removed from your list of people who hate the UFC?

    I told u, years ago (before TUF) MMA sites were full of people saying how much better Pride was and how the UFC sucked and I was someone defending the UFC constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greco-ZAG View Post
    I know this subject is so what over, but i would like retract a statement that I made earlier.

    I made a comment about certain fighters that I am around once in a while and their use of PED. Well, things have changed and I will no longer say that i have not seen anything to those claims-I have and was amazed at what was said about it. Fighters do participate in these activies and seem to be very aware of when they will be tested and how to avoid positive test. They also compete and train entirely different when fighting in the U.S. and Japan.
    I had to get that off my chest, last week was crazy to see.
    Excellent ZAG, thanks for sharing that. This is a topic that I am torn on. On one hand I love the sport and want to be supportive of the participants. On the other hand, if everyone, (relatively speaking) is doing it, what good is the sport then? Where's the credibility? Why bother keeping stats and records if they are all artificial?

    Big Timmay went down in a heap against a 48 year old man from a different sport. He went down like a $2 hoe on Saturday night. The first question I had was were steroids involved. By involved I mean were they no longer used and thus the horrible performance. I take nothing away from Mercer. I don't suspect him of any foul play. As a fan of boxing and sportsmanship in general, I am thrilled for him and his tremendous upset victory. I put this one on the known cheater. Perhaps he suffered a Pride to UFC like decline after discontinuing the use of PED's. I don't know but I am sick by all of this.
    Lets go Brent!

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    As we approach GSP/Alves, one begins to wonder about this topic.
    Lets go Brent!

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    both definitely
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    Up to this point gsp has never failed a test but with the hate he gets you woudl think he has failed tests as many others have.

    I think a lot of the hate stems from him being a french canadien, beating some of peoples favorite fighters, and out wrestling wrestlers.

    Alves on the other hand has already failed a drug test for a known masking agent. Also his size has increased dramatically. His size and strength are now his two biggest advantages, as prior to his drastic size increase he was getting crushed by light weights.

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    I didn't know Alves had failed before, but not only has he ballooned and improved since entering the UFC, he failed to make weight in England against Hughes where the UFC is in charge of drug tests (not an athletic commission; and the UFC doesn't release the relults). I know many speculated that its harder to lose water weight on certain roids.

    Perhaps Alves can't take whatever drugs he wants being that this is a title fight in Vegas, while GSP can take anything he's taken in the past. So this could be the best GSP there is and not the best Alves we have known.

    PJ - GSP gets a lot more ridiculous and fanatical love than he does hate. I wouldn't feel too bad about him (especially if you believe he's doing it too).

    I hope Alves wins even though he's cheating as much as anyone in the drug department. That would set up an exciting rematch
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    Claudale, i know that gsp gets a lot of attention on sherdog particularly from other canadians. I was speaking more about this board where people seem to downplay his accomplishments and diss him as if he is proven steroid user.

    GSP may be doing stuff but that would just be speculation on my part. I do know for sure that he is anincredibly hard worker, who gets better every fight. He uses his resources better than anyone else in mma. I love watching him fight and i appreciate hiw ability to continue to add to his skills even though he is already the best.

    I know a lot of posters on the different wrestling forums get their panties in a bunch because they cant accept the fact that a guy that didnt grow up wrestling can out wrestler some of our best collegiate stars. I know others like adolf are not big fans of the french so that has to play a role. I know others may be huge fans of guys like hughes and it is probably upsetting seeing your hero get dismantled.

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