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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    I see your point, but its comparing apples to oranges here.

    First you have a perfectly healthy guy doing something that makes him bigger, faster and stronger.

    On the other hand you have someone that is INJURED and he is utilizing modern medicine to get back into the game.

    Should players not be able to get elbows fixed and just rely on praying to God that the elbow fixes itself?
    I agree. There is a huge difference between necessary surgery and "elective" surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    Now I gave my pleasantries to Peter I thought I would comment on some of the issues that popped up to me in the letter.

    The first is the struggle that everyone has to face at some point in life but particularly with sports. No matter how hard you fight it time will catch up to all of us and although it can be a bitter pill to swallow you have to accept it. I know jimmy was mocking pete for having an 0-1 record but I don?t think it really is about that. Pete wasnt making some big announcement about his retirement from the sport, he hasn?t been active for almost a decade. It was more about the personal struggle of facing the truth and realizing that it is time accept a different path. Whether you were an illustrious champion like chuck Liddell, a fighter who fought a few times on the smaller shows like Pete, or a never was jv wrestler like jimmy the end will still be the same.


    The second thing that was apparent was how every athlete at some point or another will be faced with a more difficult challenge which can coincide with the first part I talked about. That would be the decision of whether to compromise your morals and potentially risk your health and take PED?s. Again whether you have to make the decision in order to rise up from jv to varsity, jump from the small shows to the big shows, or try to hold on to fading glory, the temptation is there.

    I have competed on various levels and in various sports throughout my life and with each increasing level where the stakes are higher PEDS became more of an issue.

    In high school I knew a few kids who used steroids, when I got to the college level that number increased. Now that I have started networking within the mma community it is somewhat shocking to see how prevalent the drugs are. Of course at this level they are much more sophisticated. I have heard many stories of some very famous camps and fighters using EPO, HGH, Pro Hormones, steroids, and other illegal methods. Even the lower tier guys are taking this route. I know one guy who was blood doping and using epo, and he was only fighting at the amateur level!!

    I don?t condone the use of performance enhancers and I don?t think it?s the right decision but it makes sense. Unless you are the top of the food chain athlete you will at some point reach a plateau where you need to keep pace with the rest of the pack. Doing so can be the difference in fighting in the bigger shows, making significantly more money, and becoming a heck of a lot more famous. Sadly even the elite of the elite are now using so it makes the outlook dismal for the guy who tries to do it the right way with hard work.

    I know for myself I have never even considered using and I cant imagine I ever will. I know im a pretty good athlete, and a hard worker but I know that there are better athletes who are also hard workers who using so they have a huge advantage. I know at some point I will reach a plateau where it would be easy to take the drugs to help try to even the playing field. For me it would defeat the purpose of competition as the main reason I want to pursue this sport is test myself competitively both physically and mentally. If I used illegal drugs that increased my capabilities it wouldn?t really be me achieving those accomplishments.

    my two cents discounted for inflation: best to stay off the "undetectables" or any junk for that matter. way to go pete. i think what happened to manny ramirez was that he was on "undetectables" for so long he had to take that female fertility drug to jump start his pony ride, that drug was dectectable. now he's ruined his reputation and his pony ride is probably out of service like jose conseco's.
    the working girls of vegas will owe pete for keeping his pony ride open for years to come. not having a heart attack trying to keep up with those young junkies is a positive as well.
    but then again, i may be retarded

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    i had to read thru a lot of posts quickly but a question comes to mind. assuming a lot of ufc fighters are using gear, then why did the pride guys have to cycle off to come over? was it the gear that they were on was detectable and the gear our guys are using is not detectable? or are our guys not on any gear at all?
    but then again, i may be retarded

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    I think they had to cut back on certain stuff to be safe. Or at least change up how they cycled.

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    I would think that in Japan, they were doing whatever they wanted, without concern for detection. When they came over to the UFC, they had to get off and clean their systems out. I believe that's what the delay with Wanderlei was all about. Perhaps the culture wasn't as sophisticated as ours is here in the US, since our fighters have to beat the tests, and it took them a while to get everything figured out. Many of the Pride guys have looked like a shell of themselves since leaving Japan and coming over to the US.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Holy shit, look at the size of Matt Hughes! WTF, suddenly he rejuvenates himself, how??? His wife told him she wants blood, (sounds kinky) but seriously, how is he able at his age to suddenly kick it up several notches and come out looking like Hughes circa 2003?!?!

    The doping is out of control and there doesn't seem to be anything that anyone can do about it. I have a feeling that Hughes is going to demolish Serra and look his best in years. He aint done yet, not with what ever he's on now doing the trick. War Hughes, beat that little annoying twerp down and back to Long Island.
    Lets go Brent!

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    I subtley mentioned this is my "lets talk ufc 98" thread and i also texted several members of this board about hughes build.

    I am sure vak attack thinks that hughes just suddenly started doing extra push ups and pull ups.

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    Feel free to email me next time so that I too am in the loop. I was busy all day today ad wasn't able to follow the weigh ins or read anything baout them on line. I log in tonight and am browsing around when I see a picture of Hughes looking like Lou Ferigno. This is beginning to look like a mismatch. Now it makes sense why Hughes hasn't hung it up. He'll see how he performs tomorrow night and if he does as well as he looks, why not rematch Alves for the title? The way Hughes looks, I could see him beating Thiago for the belt. Look at the scapulas on that mother fu$#er!
    Lets go Brent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    I subtley mentioned this is my "lets talk ufc 98" thread and i also texted several members of this board about hughes build.

    I am sure vak attack thinks that hughes just suddenly started doing extra push ups and pull ups.
    I like vak attack a lot. Some times he adds pretty good insight to our discussions and although he used to argue like a little school girl, he's toned that down and instead tries to learn and pick his spots. He still does get hung up on some issues here and there, but for the most part I just point it out and he scurries off with his nose bloodied and his tail between his legs and lives to fight another day. I think old Adolf is getting soft in his advanced age. I used to love beating people down on these boards. I almost don't want to do it any more.
    Lets go Brent!

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