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    Default Re: The pressures of performance enhancing drugs in the world of mma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius J. Reilly View Post
    I went ahead and decided to call it a career. Not a very glorious or particularly distinguished career

    Gee, ya think? Sherdog has Pete listed as 0-1, loss by TKO. Very impressive career. Fights in your backyard don't count Petey.
    0-1 involved getting in the cage against an eventual UFC fighter and Pete also gave up weight in that fight. The only people imo who can say anything are those who have trained and stepped in the cage and they would be the ones least likely to do so.
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    I also think its good he didn't fight if it involved taking drugs.

    Although most past their drug tests, you do hear people speculate that everyone is on illegal substances and this thread seems to confirm that (making "undetectable" stuff available to everyone).

    Too bad
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    I think you would be very surprised to learn who some of the guys are that are known to be on the gear. I believe it has come to the point of either get your drugs and do them right, so that you don't get caught, or you're not going to be at an elite MMA level, period.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Now I gave my pleasantries to Peter I thought I would comment on some of the issues that popped up to me in the letter.

    The first is the struggle that everyone has to face at some point in life but particularly with sports. No matter how hard you fight it time will catch up to all of us and although it can be a bitter pill to swallow you have to accept it. I know jimmy was mocking pete for having an 0-1 record but I don’t think it really is about that. Pete wasnt making some big announcement about his retirement from the sport, he hasn’t been active for almost a decade. It was more about the personal struggle of facing the truth and realizing that it is time accept a different path. Whether you were an illustrious champion like chuck Liddell, a fighter who fought a few times on the smaller shows like Pete, or a never was jv wrestler like jimmy the end will still be the same.

    The second thing that was apparent was how every athlete at some point or another will be faced with a more difficult challenge which can coincide with the first part I talked about. That would be the decision of whether to compromise your morals and potentially risk your health and take PED’s. Again whether you have to make the decision in order to rise up from jv to varsity, jump from the small shows to the big shows, or try to hold on to fading glory, the temptation is there.

    I have competed on various levels and in various sports throughout my life and with each increasing level where the stakes are higher PEDS became more of an issue.

    In high school I knew a few kids who used steroids, when I got to the college level that number increased. Now that I have started networking within the mma community it is somewhat shocking to see how prevalent the drugs are. Of course at this level they are much more sophisticated. I have heard many stories of some very famous camps and fighters using EPO, HGH, Pro Hormones, steroids, and other illegal methods. Even the lower tier guys are taking this route. I know one guy who was blood doping and using epo, and he was only fighting at the amateur level!!

    I don’t condone the use of performance enhancers and I don’t think it’s the right decision but it makes sense. Unless you are the top of the food chain athlete you will at some point reach a plateau where you need to keep pace with the rest of the pack. Doing so can be the difference in fighting in the bigger shows, making significantly more money, and becoming a heck of a lot more famous. Sadly even the elite of the elite are now using so it makes the outlook dismal for the guy who tries to do it the right way with hard work.

    I know for myself I have never even considered using and I cant imagine I ever will. I know im a pretty good athlete, and a hard worker but I know that there are better athletes who are also hard workers who using so they have a huge advantage. I know at some point I will reach a plateau where it would be easy to take the drugs to help try to even the playing field. For me it would defeat the purpose of competition as the main reason I want to pursue this sport is test myself competitively both physically and mentally. If I used illegal drugs that increased my capabilities it wouldn’t really be me achieving those accomplishments.

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    PJ, sounds to me like you are going to fight soon (or eventually) but like Cobra, it doesn't sound like you are looking to make a career out of it.

    I always assumed nearly everyone did it and have heard people say that comment, now you and Cobra are agreeing with some inside knowledge.

    Adolf, however, tries to come across as an expert on this topic (and every other) and I have to believe he's just repeating what you and Cobra are saying (or Winston or the guys in the warehouse). Doing the senior judo circuit with other white haired has beens with guts doesn't provide the same perspective/insight.
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    Unfortunately in our society, any one who is exceptional in athletics will have to deal with the scrutiny and raised eyebrows of the skeptical general public. The cheaters are always one step ahead and they always will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    PJ, sounds to me like you are going to fight soon (or eventually) but like Cobra, it doesn't sound like you are looking to make a career out of it.

    I always assumed nearly everyone did it and have heard people say that comment, now you and Cobra are agreeing with some inside knowledge.

    Adolf, however, tries to come across as an expert on this topic (and every other) and I have to believe he's just repeating what you and Cobra are saying (or Winston or the guys in the warehouse). Doing the senior judo circuit with other white haired has beens with guts doesn't provide the same perspective/insight.
    I am taking it slow on the fighting, probably by the spring of next year. Only the top 1 percent or so who fight in mma make enough to live the rest of their lives off. So I am trying to network and put business plans in motion so that I can make use of my extremely overpriced education.

    It would not be the smartest to bank on this to be my sole career, with the limited pay for anyone but the top ppv earners especially for smaller sized fighters. When you add in the fact that the top guys are willing to take drugs and I am not its more likely that I will need to find outside income. Of course I am stubborn and egotistical enough to think i can make it to the top anyway so I am still training as often and as hard as possible.

    I heard any interesting story the other night of how a former champion got busted for roids by mistake and then was able to get the commission to reduce the case with some trickery. I dont want to reveal the names so maybe ill shoot you a pm.

    I know adolf has said he knows a few professional fighters (i think one was a tuf reject) so he may have a few inside pieces. It wouldnt surprised me though if he was stealing info from thecobra and pawning it off as his own since he knows thecobra no longer posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjfovf View Post
    Unfortunately in our society, any one who is exceptional in athletics will have to deal with the scrutiny and raised eyebrows of the skeptical general public. The cheaters are always one step ahead and they always will be.
    Yea unfortunately the cheaters ruined it for everyone.

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    Default Re: The pressures of performance enhancing drugs in the world of mma.

    I think GSP - Alves will be the last totally clean title fight we see for a long time.
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