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    Just skimming through this thread...

    I have no idea if GSP is using drugs or not, but the improvement in his WRESTLING skills comes from training at the Montreal Wrestling club. Gia Sissouri talked about training GSP in his wrestling. Marghetis (74 kg) and Rioux (84 kg) both train there as well, both have wrestled internationally and would have good shot at beating Hughes or Kosheck in a (freestyle) wrestling match. Good training partners for sure.

    Something I haven't seen brought up in this thread is the immediate safety concerns for fighters if a lot of people are juicing. Steroids make you hit harder, but I doubt they give you a stronger "chin". The physically stronger fighter get, the more serious head injuries I predict will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Just skimming through this thread...

    I have no idea if GSP is using drugs or not, but the improvement in his WRESTLING skills comes from training at the Montreal Wrestling club. Gia Sissouri talked about training GSP in his wrestling. Marghetis (74 kg) and Rioux (84 kg) both train there as well, both have wrestled internationally and would have good shot at beating Hughes or Kosheck in a (freestyle) wrestling match. Good training partners for sure.

    Something I haven't seen brought up in this thread is the immediate safety concerns for fighters if a lot of people are juicing. Steroids make you hit harder, but I doubt they give you a stronger "chin". The physically stronger fighter get, the more serious head injuries I predict will happen.
    Unless GSP has been training gut wrenches, ankle laces etc. and learning not to expose his back I doubt he would stand a chance against a top wrestler who has some FS experience and I would hope he is not wasting his training on skills that don't translate to MMA.
    He already proved he was a better MMA wrestler than Hughes and Kos which is an amazing feat for someone who has never wrestled competitively

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I haven't read this whole thread, so if this has already been mentioned I'm sorry. Has anyone here seen the documentary 'Bigger, Stronger, Faster'? It makes the same point that if there's a pill that makes you better at your job, everyone from classical musicians to porn stars are going to take it.
    Perhaps the Puppeteer can reveal if he's seen the documentary. I think it's a fair question, but as p jersey pointed out, it's cheating because it's against the rules Now question for you, if both fighters are juicing, is it cheating then? Sherk/Franca comes to mind. In that case I thin kit's a wash, but they still should be punished for breaking the rules. Also, if this pill has negative side effects would need to be considered.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    the UFC also needs to show zero tolerance. Although Barnett was punished by the UFC back when 10g people attended each event, Sherk, Karo, Sanchez, Sylvia tested positive more recently and the UFC didn't hammer them - Tim didn't lose his belt and Gan was still dropped by the UFC for losing (I know you won't disagree with Dana, but think about that - losing a title shot to a roided opponent and you get dropped).

    One of the mma writers (Meltzer maybe) also said that the UFC tried to hide Sanchez's positive test (weed) and that they claim they conduct internal testing in the UK (since a sanctioning body doesn't do it) but they won't share those results.
    I agree with the zero tolerance. But how do you punish them, you mean drop their contract? Forever? I would like to see a 1 year suspension for first offense. Do it again and you're gone for good. I think that most guys are moving to the designer stuff that can't be detected anyways, so there should be less and less positive tests, yet more and more fighters on the gear. Until a test is available to catch those guys, this thing is just going to get worse.

    Wont disagree with Dana? You should have seen what I wrote about him on another blog concerning how he would have faired growing up in the Cleveland slums that Don King grew up in. I call it like I see it Claudale, get that through your head.

    Claudale we're talking about performance enhancing drugs and you're bringing up weed. WTF does weed have to do with our discussion?
    Lets go Brent!

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    I agree with the zero tolerance. But how do you punish them, you mean drop their contract? Forever? I would like to see a 1 year suspension for first offense. Do it again and you're gone for good. I think that most guys are moving to the designer stuff that can't be detected anyways, so there should be less and less positive tests, yet more and more fighters on the gear. Until a test is available to catch those guys, this thing is just going to get worse.

    Wont disagree with Dana? You should have seen what I wrote about him on another blog concerning how he would have faired growing up in the Cleveland slums that Don King grew up in. I call it like I see it Claudale, get that through your head.

    Claudale we're talking about performance enhancing drugs and you're bringing up weed. WTF does weed have to do with our discussion?
    Actually, if the UFC announced any kind of punishment and used strong words, that would be enough for me. Instead Dana acts like he knows nothing about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Perhaps the Puppeteer can reveal if he's seen the documentary. I think it's a fair question, but as p jersey pointed out, it's cheating because it's against the rules Now question for you, if both fighters are juicing, is it cheating then? Sherk/Franca comes to mind. In that case I thin kit's a wash, but they still should be punished for breaking the rules. Also, if this pill has negative side effects would need to be considered.
    It might be a wash in the sense that neither has an advantage (although that would assume that they both took the same drug and their bodies reacted the same way). But of course it is still cheating, there is a rule in place about what is allowed and what is not allowed. They purposely break the rule to attempt to gain advantage it is cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Unless GSP has been training gut wrenches, ankle laces etc. and learning not to expose his back I doubt he would stand a chance against a top wrestler who has some FS experience and I would hope he is not wasting his training on skills that don't translate to MMA.
    He already proved he was a better MMA wrestler than Hughes and Kos which is an amazing feat for someone who has never wrestled competitively
    I think he is training freestyle entirely, not just as it relates to mma. He considered trying out for their olympic team and said he knows he had a shot of making it from practicing with those guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Just skimming through this thread...

    I have no idea if GSP is using drugs or not, but the improvement in his WRESTLING skills comes from training at the Montreal Wrestling club. Gia Sissouri talked about training GSP in his wrestling. Marghetis (74 kg) and Rioux (84 kg) both train there as well, both have wrestled internationally and would have good shot at beating Hughes or Kosheck in a (freestyle) wrestling match. Good training partners for sure.

    Something I haven't seen brought up in this thread is the immediate safety concerns for fighters if a lot of people are juicing. Steroids make you hit harder, but I doubt they give you a stronger "chin". The physically stronger fighter get, the more serious head injuries I predict will happen.
    A lot of guys train with pro boxers, but that doesn't mean that alone will bring them to that level.

    Mir, a HS state champ, was training with Rowlands - not like he'd be making our national team in the near future just from that.

    And GSP's chin isn't anything exceptional.
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    I'd love to see a freestyle match, between GSP and Koscheck. No excuses, put up or shut up, weigh in an hour prior to the match.
    Lets go Brent!

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