View Poll Results: Is the double grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday night ride) effective for the pin?

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  • Yeah, most definitely. Anyone who has the opportunity to use the double grapevine can get the fall.

    21 53.85%
  • Yeah, but only the most experienced wrestlers can master the technique well enough to get the pin.

    3 7.69%
  • Yeah, but only if the guy getting pinned with the double grapevine is pretty lousy.

    8 20.51%
  • No, the other guy can usually counter it.

    0 0%
  • No, getting an opportunity to use the double grapevine is pretty rare.

    7 17.95%
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Thread: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

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    Default Re: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

    I know a wrestler who likes to use this move.

    This is not a move that he plans as a attack but seems to come after a scramble that ended badly for the bottom wrestler.

    He also wraps one arm around the head and tucks his hand between his chest and the opponents chest. No direct pressure is applied to the front of the throat because the bottom wrestler's chin is pressed against their own chest. This seems to help to make it almost impossible for the bottom wrestler to bridge.

    Very painful for the wrestler on the receiving end!

    I have seen it done to some good wrestlers but only in rare circumstances. More often it happens to less experienced wrestlers. Just like any other wrestling move the more experienced and familiar the wrestler is who is using the move to better they will be at performing it and vice versa the more experienced a wrestler is the less likely they will find themselves pinned by this move.
    Last edited by ccbig; 04-29-2008 at 12:33 AM.
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    Default Re: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

    Quote Originally Posted by quick_single View Post
    It happens all the time when guys either slip off a gut wrench or the top man knows how to defend it to force this position.

    I agree that it's not something that planned, but it does happen to even top level wrestlers.

    http://www.thewrestlingtalk.com/vBTu...id=GbOgIvynRbY

    example is Schultz transitioning to it in order to pin Nate Carr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    A guy was pinning my daughter with this move when his coach yelled "If it's a boy, name him after me!" Absolute silence for about 5 seconds until I broke up laughing. I don't know if there is a counter for the move, but my daughter was laughing too hard to try and fight out of the hold. After the match, during the handshake, he tried to apologise. She stopped him by kissing him on the cheek and telling him "It's O.K., grandpa."
    I just caught all holy h3ll tonight - my memory was faulty (an excusable aspect of old age!) My daughter was pinning the guy with the Saturday Night Ride, when the guy's father (a good friend of mine) yelled out. She says she wasn't laughing too hard to fight out of the hold, but rather, laughing so hard she forgot to grab and control his head. She applied enough pressure with her back-arch (girls have great hips!) that he pinned himself. She does, however, remember kissing the coach, so I got that much right.

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    Default Re: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

    I wouldn't even consider lining up that move on the collegiate level because you'll never pull it off. It's a move thats not even practiced because the opportunity just doesn't exist. The only way you see that move in Div I is if someone funks their way around and stumbles into it.
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    It won't work on the really good guys because they be able to adjust themselves before you settle in and the only way it would work on a good guy is if they got caught in a scramble.

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    Default Re: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    I wouldn't even consider lining up that move on the collegiate level because you'll never pull it off. It's a move thats not even practiced because the opportunity just doesn't exist. The only way you see that move in Div I is if someone funks their way around and stumbles into it.
    Here's how I sometimes [used to] get into it. I've got a Jacob's ride with my right leg hooking my opponent's right leg, and my right arm around his head (or with a whizzer on his right arm). My left knee is posted away on the mat, and the sole of my right foot is tight against my left instep. I'm tight hip to hip against him, I'm pulling on his head, and my back is arched with my hips down. If he tries to get his right leg out by stepping over my feet and my left leg (he can't get his right leg between mine because my feet are touching), I scoop up his right leg with my left leg, and step over and scoop up his left leg with my right leg. Voila - double grapevine!
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    Default Re: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

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    Default Re: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

    Personally, I go for it whenever it is there. This isn't the kind of move you force, you just have to be aware of your position relative to your opponent's and sometimes you'll see it open up.

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    Default Re: A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

    Sorry to bump this but being an old leg guy I just had too!

    I find the single worked better for me into a guillotine but you have hook the wrapping leg with your knee & really lean into his buttocks to break him down & then use your arms to to pul the opposing leg up, then arch. If you are long, (tall) like me you have more leverage on a shorter opponent & you definitively get BPs with it.

    Of course with a smarter or quicker wrestler it will be tougher to do esp if he is taller.

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