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    Default What is "the butcher"?

    Am wondering if there are different terms for this I can't find any technique analysis onit.

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    The move that we call a butcher is this: you are perpendicular to your opponent with a cross face. You reach across his chest with your other arm and lock it on his far triceps where your cross face hand is. You are "hugging" both his arms with both your arms up at the level of the triceps. Now pull his arms in tight to your chest and drive him over onto his back. Tighten up your "hug" into a double arm tie up and get in good pinning position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    The move that we call a butcher is this: you are perpendicular to your opponent with a cross face. You reach across his chest with your other arm and lock it on his far triceps where your cross face hand is. You are "hugging" both his arms with both your arms up at the level of the triceps. Now pull his arms in tight to your chest and drive him over onto his back. Tighten up your "hug" into a double arm tie up and get in good pinning position.
    This is what I think of when I hear 'butcher'. While driving him over, if you can't seem to get him past 90, just circle toward his head all the way around until you're perpendicular on the other side. If you do this right, his arms will be crossed inside of your 'hug' as Spider calls it. It's important that you keep driving and running around the head until you're back to perpendicular. If you stop when he first goes over and you're parallel, he can bridge and roll you toward your own back, causing you to bail on the hold.

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    I believe you are referring to a cross face while hooking the near back leg with your foot -once you maintain a balanced position you take your other arm and reaching under the guys chest you control the far arm -once this done you hope the guy is silly enough to try and post his far leg up then you rip his head off taking him over the leg you are controlling -with his right or far leg posted up he will fall into your head lock w/out hope .
    This is a ride that can score you a lot of points or get stale mated a lot .
    If you or your coach are not crazy about head locks , when he posts his far leg up go for a cradle instead -this you can do by releasing the lock you have on his far arm with the underneath arm and locking the knee and head-once this is done you release your control of the near leg and (depending upon how tightly you have the cradle locked in ) you bring your hips over and take the guy to his back .
    I always preferred waiting for the headlock and when his far leg comes up you WHIP his head over the near leg which you are controlling .
    This move was popular in the 80's until some of the better refs started going into the room and felt what it was like to be on bottom and realized it was practically impossible for the bottom guy to do anything save get taken to his back or get called for stalling -so most refs started calling stalemates after about 15 seconds -if you find a ref who will let you ride a guy for 30-45 seconds the guy on bottom will eventually post his far leg up and BAM-he is counting lights .
    I could show you this move in less time than it took to type this .

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    I think I understand. I'll have the head coach show me as well.

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    I still have no clue what it is suppose to look like. When you say "hooking the near leg" is it an iowa or a crossbody ride?? Someone please explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinknikes View Post
    I still have no clue what it is suppose to look like. When you say "hooking the near leg" is it an iowa or a crossbody ride?? Someone please explain?
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    when I say ''hook the near leg '' I simply mean take your near leg and using your near foot over hook the ankle and then just rest on that ankle .This is imperative as the 'butcher' i am describing is a ride , the cross face and grasping under the chest to the far arm are the same -now you control the entire near side hemi sphere of his body . W/out controlling the ankle your opponent will just pop straight out .Also by controlling the anklle you can apply more tork to your crossface -all the time hoping he pops his far leg up-with his far leg up and you controlling the other side he literally does not have a leg to stand on .
    Now you just try to rip his head off when you throw the headlock-or when you bring him back over the near side -same thing as a head lock only from a down position .Then if he tries to fight this he will be forced to put his head next to his knee -then you lock up a cradle . HTH

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    Where I'm from they call hooking an ankle an "iowa". Weird names.

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