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Old 05-24-2008, 01:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A kind of response to Big's “Lets get one thing clear”

Not only conditioning and training techniques can help a wrestler to improve his performance and to become a champ, but also countless kinds magics, rituals, taboos, fetishes and amulets which call on supernatural powers and spirits and which are used to promote good fortune, to protect the wrestler, to reduce tension, to give him extra strength or even to bewitch his opponent and to influence the outcome of the match.

A wrestler of Niger applies magic when preparing his cloth before a match.


When wrestling, a guy of Niger would wear not only the colorful thing (in the picture above or in his right hand in the picture below), but also several (up to 10) other belts (in his left hand in the picture) each having a particular function: one calling on the local spirits, another one protecting him from the spirits of the locality where his opponent comes from, another one against injuries etc. The magic things are kept in the small pockets which can be seen on the belts.



[In 2005, I visited an exhibition about traditional wrestling styles in the Olympic Museum in Lausanne. Various items, photos and videotapes in the sections presenting wrestling styles of Africa and of the Amazonian area pointed out the use of magic in wrestling: e.g. purifying and preparatory rituals as well as application of magic before or during wrestling contests of Diola and Wolof in Senegal. What was interesting: A written note to an item, a lion cloth of a wrestler from Niger, explained that before being sent to the museum, the cloth had been a subject of special rituals aimed to remove the magic powers from it.]


There are many examples (well most of them are not wrestling-specific) of how rituals, magic and taboo observance appear in wrestling also in our so-called technologically advanced societies. Before a competition, ordinary objects and act get ritualized: food/eating, hair cut and shaving (to shave or not, how and when?), shoes (the order in which they are put and the very act of tyeing the laces) etc... Good luck fetishes belong to the standard equipment.

Often these objects and activities remain out of public view. I picked some pictures of internationally successful wrestlers who wear a thread around one of their wrists during the matches.

Artur Taimazov with a red thread around his left wrist (2001 worlds)


I discussed this with Ossetian wrestlers and fans. They said: The red thread has a protective function. Many other wrestler wear it but it remains invisible for the audience because unlike Taimazov, they have it around their ankle (covered by the sock) or they put it (fasten it in some way) inside the singlet.


Iranian wrestlers wear green threads. I don't know the exactly function.

2002 world champ Mehdi Hajizadeh


2007 silver medalist Ebrahimi


In red singlet the 2002 & 2004 university world champ Saefi; in blue singlet the 2003 jr. world champ. Notice, both have the green thing around their left wrists.



Obviously, the training system as described/suggested by Big isn't enough to give wrestlers the sense of control and confidence.
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bunch of crap. I remember when I wrestled in the finals of New York freestyle states, my opponent was an immigrant from Georgia and he demolished everyone in the weight class. He also won Northeast regionals just a month before that. Before our match in the finals I saw him praying for like 10 minutes. I told my coach about it and we both laughed. I was losing 4:3 at the end of the match when I launched him with my favorite throw at the time with only 2 seconds left. I won 6:4 and never saw the guy in any wrestling tournament ever again!
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good job big
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Originally Posted by akzent View Post
Iranian wrestlers wear green threads. I don't know the exactly function.
Green is a sign for Muslims (especially Shiee Muslims )

it is not magic !

look : (he is World Judo Champion, Arash Miresmaeili)

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very interesting post akzent, i saw a documentary on wrestling in senegal. Wrestling there is very popular, and magic is a big part of it. interesting stuff.
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Originally Posted by 5pointcrossankle View Post
good job big
Really a good job. I am impressed.
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Green is a sign for Muslims (especially Shiee Muslims )
it is not magic !
Don't attach Islam to an amulet which has nothing to do with it. I am talking about the thread, not the color.
When I said that I didn't know its exactly function in Iran, I meant its magic function - to avert evil or to attract good fortune (sometimes these 2 functions are interconnected).
Ossetians use the red thread to turn away evil.

look : (he is World Judo Champion, Arash Miresmaeili)
This isn't an amulet.
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That's because Ossetians are communists.......
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I am surprised that the thread around the wrist is permitted. Seems like a dislocated finger waiting to happen. It would not be permitted in high school wrestling around here.
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That 'thread' is what is known in these parts of the country as a 'Bearscare" and it is worn for good luck. it is not supposed to be taken off....it just falls off on its own from old age. When I tested for my first black belt many years ago, I was wearing one that one of my daughters had made for me and I was not happy that I had to take it off. ONe of the testers was a long haired, bearded dude that looked like a tall version of rick Sanders and he knew what it was and he appologised for my having to remove it. The next one went on my ankle..........
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