Was the Cejudo experiment a bust and other questions?

sgallan · 09-20-2007, 11:27 PM

Abas will never see 121 again.

Gripsnhips · 09-20-2007, 11:28 PM

He wants to go to Beijing. I honestly believe Abas is a step above the rest. He's taking his time to heal and ....and ensure he's ready for the 2008 run.

Gripsnhips · 09-20-2007, 11:28 PM

sgallan....

not what i hear....

sgallan · 09-20-2007, 11:36 PM

Well if he wants to make that run, he'd better get some high quality matches under his belt over the next year, or hope for a favorable draw at the games. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing him work through the kind of draw Kudukhov had this year. He is an exceptional wrestler for sure, but it's not as though he is a wrestler that he can just sort of show up to the Olympics and dominate.

Gripsnhips · 09-20-2007, 11:37 PM

Agreed. Gonna take some focus for sure.

He is an Olympic Silver Medalist.

wrastler118 · 09-20-2007, 11:40 PM

Wrestling those few international tournaments every now and then isn't enough is what I'm saying. Henry has the ability to win Gold at all of these events, but skippin college killed him because instead of getting 60 plus matches a year(college/spring together) he's only getting like 20 on the tournament scene. The Russians are getting the 60 plus every year wrestling the best competition in their country all the time. The competition isn't split up like in the US. So instead of having say 240 matches in a 4 yr span, he's only getting 80. He's 160 matches behind on my count.

I think if he would've went to college, he would've gotten 4 yrs of matches in, plus the spring time stuff and once he graduated no one would be touching him. Period. Instead, I don't see him making any real noise until the 2012 Olympics, if he decides to keep wrestling.

And no I'm no troll. You know me pretty well Scott. Take a guess of who I am. We've met before.

Originally Posted by sgallan

but that's not happening so he's not reaching his potential because he skipped college and isn't wrestling the best guys constantly.

So when he is wrestling in all of these international tournaments, against the best wrestlers in the world, in the style of wrestling that world wrestles, he and doing so at the same pace, in the same tournaments, as those wrestlers, he isn't really wrestling the best wrestlers, nor getting the best training. With coaches like Jackson, Brands, and any number of wrestlers - both American and from other nations - coming through meaning nothing. Okay.... that makes even more sense because of course - following your apparent jingonistic logic (though I think you are actually trolling) - it is best because it is American.

wrastler118 · 09-20-2007, 11:42 PM

Mat time is gonna be key here. No matches in during the year and I don't see it happening. Abas is good, but from what I hear, likes to party too much.

Originally Posted by sgallan

Well if he wants to make that run, he'd better get some high quality matches under his belt over the next year, or hope for a favorable draw at the games. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing him work through the kind of draw Kudukhov had this year. He is an exceptional wrestler for sure, but it's not as though he is a wrestler that he can just sort of show up to the Olympics and dominate.

JensenS · 09-20-2007, 11:46 PM

I'm just curious, where in the world do you get the idea that Cejudo only wrestles 20 live matches per year?

Between, Nationals, Trials, Worlds, Sunkist, NYAC, Schultz, Yarygin, Pan Am's, World Cup, and others that I'm sure I'm missing, he gets plenty of shots at competition

wrastler118 · 09-20-2007, 11:51 PM

I'm talking about actual tournament matches. These guys maybe compete in like 5 tournaments a year. That's about 20 matches if they make the medal rounds everytime. Its not like there are tons of tournaments for the senior level going on in the US.

Of course the number may be a little greater, but not much.

And yes, they are getting tons of live matches at practice. However, that's in a practice room with no fans watching. Big difference between the two.

Originally Posted by JensenS

Where in the world do you get the idea that Cejudo only wrestles 20 live matches per year?

wrastler118 · 09-20-2007, 11:52 PM

And a lot of times, they aren't wrestling at all of them because they let the guys below them wrestle at some of those events.

Originally Posted by JensenS

I'm just curious, where in the world do you get the idea that Cejudo only wrestles 20 live matches per year?

Between, Nationals, Trials, Worlds, Sunkist, NYAC, Schultz, Yarygin, Pan Am's, World Cup, and others that I'm sure I'm missing, he gets plenty of shots at competition

Was the Cejudo experiment a bust and other questions?

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