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    Would love to get your opinions on whether you feel that wrestling is more of a team sport or individual.

    There has been a good discussion about dropping weight classes to eleminate forfiets. This is so that the dual meets will be more competitive.

    I contend that turnaments are more important to get kids ready for the state meets, which I guess would make it more of an individual sport as most do not make it to States. usually a really good team takes 4-5.

    Please let us know whether you feel it is team(dual meets) or individual.

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    The duals are where we are going to get the most fans. The casual fan is not going to go to the state tournament very often. Duals are where we will get new fans and even new wrestlers. People aren't going to go to the state finals as their first match ever, instead they will go to a local dual meet to watch the local talent.

    Going away from duals will hurt our sport in the long run as most people don't want to sit at a superdual or tournament all day long except parents and the hardcore fans. In Indiana they have instituted a rule that we must have four regular duals during our season.
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    From the perspective of a fan or someone concerned about the future of the sport, Champ Kind is right. Even though the individual battles in a big tournament may overshadow the team scores, the overall fan appeal is in the excitement of a dual meet. But from the perspective of a competitor, wrestling is a very individual sport. Teamwork is blocking for a running back or passing the basketball to the man under the hoop. The only teamwork that happens in wrestling is in the practice room. Personally, I'd rather be a state champion on a losing team than a non-placer on a championship team, and I think most wrestlers feel that way.
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    More often than not as a coach we have to preach team and individual not one or the other. It is important to tell the kids that their success directly leads to team success and that the teams dedication such as good practice partners and accountability lead to individual success. Clearly wrestling is unique and as a coach it is a fine line to walk.

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    I would say that it is probably more of a individual sport when talking about how the athlete competes.

    It is still a team sport as far as the training & coaching kids, how team duals, tri's are won or lost etc.

    A team being on a roll (winning) during a dual (or being on a losing roll) can have a huge effect on the next wrestler coming to the mat. Emotion and confidence can be a huge factor in how well a wrestler does in a given match.
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    a team doing well reflects on the coach. the individual doing well reflects on the individual. some coaches coach for team titles; some coach so each kid gets a a chance to reach his potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    More often than not as a coach we have to preach team and individual not one or the other. It is important to tell the kids that their success directly leads to team success and that the teams dedication such as good practice partners and accountability lead to individual success. Clearly wrestling is unique and as a coach it is a fine line to walk.

    I guess I don't see why it's a fine line to walk. At least relative to other sports. Wrestling is the one sport you can tell your kid, go out there, worry about yourself and wrestle for yourself and the team will benefit. In basketball, doing that may lead to a PG who scores too much and doesn't pass, in football it may result in a QB wanting to throw it in for a TD. IN wrestling what? A guy goes out there, even if he hates his teammates, and he sticks his kid and it help's the team.


    My coach always had a pretty clear cut rule about team vs individual. Do what's best for you as an individual, work to make yourself the best and it'll only help the team.

    The only time this comes into question is when you're talking about moving around weights, but again, that can be pretty easily handled.

    You can't challenge unless the guy holding the spot loses a match. Beyond that, if you win, it's yours. You can move around for individual, but for a team, it's really that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger84 View Post
    I guess I don't see why it's a fine line to walk. At least relative to other sports. Wrestling is the one sport you can tell your kid, go out there, worry about yourself and wrestle for yourself and the team will benefit. In basketball, doing that may lead to a PG who scores too much and doesn't pass, in football it may result in a QB wanting to throw it in for a TD. IN wrestling what? A guy goes out there, even if he hates his teammates, and he sticks his kid and it help's the team.


    My coach always had a pretty clear cut rule about team vs individual. Do what's best for you as an individual, work to make yourself the best and it'll only help the team.

    The only time this comes into question is when you're talking about moving around weights, but again, that can be pretty easily handled.

    You can't challenge unless the guy holding the spot loses a match. Beyond that, if you win, it's yours. You can move around for individual, but for a team, it's really that simple.
    Well it is a fine line. When you have kids that are good and they know it sometimes they want to do what is best for them or what is easiest. I have had to convince kids to cut to a weight or move up because it was best for the team and it gave us the best chance to win. It did not hurt the kids chances but they feel if they are good they can do what they want. If you have ever coached you would know that a kid who hates his team but wins isn't good for the team. More than likely he isn't a good workout partner and is an ass to the coaches. It is easy to sit back on the sidelines and think it isn't a fine line a coach walks.

    Tell what do you do if you have your best kid injured 2nd week of the season and another kid wrestles all year long and deserves to wrestle because he has put in the time and effort. Then your star becomes available the week before your state qualifying event. Do you sit the star who clearly has a better chance to win or let the kid who has been devoted to the team and wrestled all year go and finish the season?

    Also why should you only be aloud to challenge if the guy loses? I think you should be able to challenge every week if you think you can win. That creates good competition and work ethic in the room that makes the team better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Tell what do you do if you have your best kid injured 2nd week of the season and another kid wrestles all year long and deserves to wrestle because he has put in the time and effort. Then your star becomes available the week before your state qualifying event. Do you sit the star who clearly has a better chance to win or let the kid who has been devoted to the team and wrestled all year go and finish the season?.
    The star didn't choose to be injured. If he came to practices and matches, even as a spectator, and did what he could to keep in shape and watch his weight, he deserves to wrestle off as soon as he is ready. The kid who filled in had a great opportunity, but didn't earn the right to keep the injured kid out of the post-season. Added as an edit: this isn't a team based decision, it's based on what's fair to the injured kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Also why should you only be aloud to challenge if the guy loses? I think you should be able to challenge every week if you think you can win. That creates good competition and work ethic in the room that makes the team better.
    I agree - that makes no sense. A second stringer shouldn't be rooting for his guy to lose so he can wrestle off, and the right to wrestle off shouldn't depend on the quality of last week's opponent.
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