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  1. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbig View Post
    Interesting spin you tend put on others comments.

    Wouldn't it be more accurate that throwing any inexperienced wrestler to the wolves would probably be a bad thing no matter if they are freshmen & sophomores or juniors & seniors?

    The lack of experience or having experience is the key as well as overall ability, not purely age like you keep trying to spin.
    Who is the most likely to be inexperienced in the varsity lineup?
    A. Mr. Freshman
    B. Mr. Senior
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

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  2. #29

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    Freshmen who can earn their spot in the mid to upper weights certainly belong & even at certain weights where there is no one to fill the spot, I don?t really see a problem. Where I have an issue is in the very bottom weights where you see primarily freshmen (or even junior high kids) wrestling varsity all the time ? against other freshmen or jr high kids. At the elite levels maybe you don?t see that as much, but in your everyday high school, those lower weights are often empty or filled by jr high or freshmen kids wrestling each other ? meanwhile more skilled, more experienced upperclassmen are wrestling JV or not wrestling at all because they are at a weight that is more typical for a high school kid.

    The answer to getting freshmen experience is not to have weights designed for them on the varsity squad but instead to find a way to expand JV opportunities.


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  3. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Who is the most likely to be inexperienced in the varsity lineup?
    A. Mr. Freshman
    B. Mr. Senior
    You are painting it Black and White and that is not how it is.

    It Depends on the situation could be a senior who only started wrestling as a freshman or sophmore. The freshman could have been wrestling for 9 years already and have way more experience. In that situation I would put my money on the Freshman.

    On the other hand the freshman may have some experience and the more developed senior with less experience will prevail.

    Where I live you see more inexperienced upper weights than the lower weights. Have you watched any Heavyweight matches lately? I would rather watch the lower to mid Weights.

    I live on the east coast (VA) and we don't seem to have a hard time filling the lower weights. Most of the High Schools have decent feeder programs and local Elite Clubs that hit the national scene to give kids more exsposure to some of the best talent.

    It is not fun to have to forfeit matches because you don't have a full squad I understand that. I don't see this as big an epidemic for the nation as a whole as some here may preach. It seems that the majority of this push is coming from the Midwest. I can't see changing the weights and giving less kids the chance to compete.

    I believe that WHOMEVER earns the spot it should be his untill someone beats him out. Be he Freshman, Sophmore, Junior or Senior.

  4. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Who is the most likely to be inexperienced in the varsity lineup?
    A. Mr. Freshman
    B. Mr. Senior
    Doesn't it depend on what the kid did before high school? Our most experienced wrestler for this upcoming year will be an 8th grader. None of the other kids on the team have been wrestling as long as this kid. He started at around 6 years old and he's 13 now.

  5. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by ua540ftr View Post
    You are painting it Black and White and that is not how it is.

    It Depends on the situation could be a senior who only started wrestling as a freshman or sophmore. The freshman could have been wrestling for 9 years already and have way more experience. In that situation I would put my money on the Freshman.

    On the other hand the freshman may have some experience and the more developed senior with less experience will prevail.

    Where I live you see more inexperienced upper weights than the lower weights. Have you watched any Heavyweight matches lately? I would rather watch the lower to mid Weights.
    Really, are you serious? You mean to tell me that there are some solid freshmen out there that can beat upperclassmen? Wow, that is simply amazing!

    I can't see changing the weights and giving less kids the chance to compete.
    Please enlighten me to how less kids will compete if we keep the same 14 weight classes and just shift them up like it has been in the past. If you have followed these threads in any way, you would have seen that I stated I was not 100% for lessening the number of weight classes, but for shifting the weights upward.

    Do you have any stats to back up what you said about not having any problems filling weights in Virginia? I'm curious as to how many forfeits there are at the high school level there.
    Have you watched any Heavyweight matches lately? I would rather watch the lower to mid Weights.
    I would rather see heavyweights wrestle that two glorified middle school kids battle it out. Heavyweights can provide lots of action if you actually pay attention. The light weights tend to be sickly looking juniors and seniors and glorified middle schoolers.
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

  6. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudpatriot View Post
    Doesn't it depend on what the kid did before high school? Our most experienced wrestler for this upcoming year will be an 8th grader. None of the other kids on the team have been wrestling as long as this kid. He started at around 6 years old and he's 13 now.
    Just asking in general, of course I know how you love to pull out the two or three kids in the nation that don't follow the norm. I will say this is just your average freshman and your average senior, nothing more nothing less. None of these kids are nationally ranked, just an average varsity wrestlers that one is a freshman and one is a senior.

    Who is going to be more experienced and the better wrestler?
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

  7. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Just asking in general, of course I know how you love to pull out the two or three kids in the nation that don't follow the norm. I will say this is just your average freshman and your average senior, nothing more nothing less. None of these kids are nationally ranked, just an average varsity wrestlers that one is a freshman and one is a senior.

    Who is going to be more experienced and the better wrestler?
    The kids I am talking about are not nationally ranked. They are just regular kids and the one 7th is an above average wrestler.

    My son wrestles schoolboy at youth tournaments and there are MANY incoming freshman who started wrestling when they were 6. There are also MANY seniors who started wrestling when they were freshman. The kids don't need to be nationally ranked to be very experienced and able to wrestle varsity as freshman if they have alot of experience.

    I can tell you that my son's worst beatings have not come at the varsity level. They have come at the youth level. At the varsity level he is not always wrestling an experienced opponent (even though many of the kids are older than he is) but at youth tournaments he is nearly always facing kids with more experience than he has although they are his age.

  8. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by legridder155 View Post
    I would say that specialization is bad for our sport and I believe every sport.

    Kids are not well rounded athletes today, which is not a good thing IMO. As I stated in another post parents are pushing these kids to one sport to try and get them a scholarship. These kids are not having as much fun in high school athletics as I did being a two sport athlete.
    Our kids all play multiple sports, we are a small school so almost all of our athletes play at least 2 sports with most of them doing 3.
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  9. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudpatriot View Post
    The kids I am talking about are not nationally ranked. They are just regular kids and the one 7th is an above average wrestler.

    My son wrestles schoolboy at youth tournaments and there are MANY incoming freshman who started wrestling when they were 6. There are also MANY seniors who started wrestling when they were freshman. The kids don't need to be nationally ranked to be very experienced and able to wrestle varsity as freshman if they have alot of experience.

    I can tell you that my son's worst beatings have not come at the varsity level. They have come at the youth level. At the varsity level he is not always wrestling an experienced opponent (even though many of the kids are older than he is) but at youth tournaments he is nearly always facing kids with more experience than he has although they are his age.
    The stats in Florida don't support your "theory."

    I added up all the state qualifiers this year and it shows that the seniors were still pretty damn dominant.
    Number of qualifiers for the state finals:
    8th- 7
    9th- 34
    10th- 86
    11th- 224
    12th- 322
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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