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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbig View Post
    I think one of the problems is how the new regulations have been implemented. If schools/doctors were using charts for BMI meant for adults then the whole thing is out of wack as was shown by Proudpatriot's post.

    Wrestlers/teams may be being given erroneous information. We all need to follow this up and make sure schools/teams are having their wrestlers checked with kid/teen range BMI information not the ones meant for adults. I think our school was a victim of this and luckily it did not effect us but it very well could have hurt many schools.

    I think that using the teen range BMI the scenario that Champ Kind gives will not be the case if the right charts are used.
    As I showed you the example of my kid and even YOU stated it, the BMI isn't that great of an indicator. And if you checked it out, I used the teenage BMI calculator and it said my kid was overweight. Check it out for yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by ccbig View Post
    On BMI... BMI has to also take into account body build style to be accurate. The differences in BMI for a large body build style is as it relates to weight is vastly different between those of a slender build style as it relates to weight.

    Now we are talking about averages within averages. What a mess.
    Make up your mind, please!

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    No team or coach is forced to put anyone on the mat. It is still a coaches discretion & responsibility to not put wrestlers on the mat that shouldn't be there.
    Lets see what the options are for a coach.
    A. Give up 6 points each dual meet
    B. Throw the kid out there and pickup 10 forfeits a year and get a chance to win a few matches because he's going to be wrestling other less experienced freshmen.

    The reason coaches are doing it is because almost EVERYONE is doing it!
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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    [quote=Ground&Pound;88488]In PA we have 18 weight classes ranging from 75lbs to 250lbs for gardes 7-9.

    Then we have the standard 14 weight classes for varsity and theoretically 14 more for JV.

    Freshman must choose either jr high or high school, not both.

    Not counting JV, we offer 32 opportunities for kids to experience the sport of wrestling against oppenets of their own age group and size.

    Merged schools are almost unheard of and we have some small schools.[/quote

    Most states are not set up like that they are like this K-5, 6-8, 9-12 with freshman only being able to participate in High School. Some Schools may or may not have Middle School programs and fewer 9th grade Teams.

    PA probably leads the nation in the amount of Wrestlers and has the kids to field these Teams. Also I have not seen any PA teams having a problem filling the 103lb spot and being extremely competitive.

    PA wrestling from the youth up is great with many opportunities to compete. Look at the PA youth wrestling website there are usually at least 3 or more tournaments every weekend with great competition.
    We live in VA and go hit tournaments there at least once a month.

    There is no easy fix to this problem and people need to realize that what is the norm in one area of the country may not be the case for the rest of the country.

    Our sport is not looked upon by Athletic Directors with the same fondness as Football and Basketball. And when budgets get cut we usually suffer. Most Wrestling coaches have to do tons of fundraising in order to do what they want to with their schdule.

    Maybe if we add 2lbs to 103 that may help and restructure the weight classes. I would not care if we added a weight class.

    Who knows what the fix is.

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    Someone asked me earlier so here are the answers to those questions.

    7th and 8th Graders cannot participate at the Varsity Level unless they go to a school that is 7-12. Which to my knowledge is 3 in the state. 2 have wrestling and I've only seen one wrestler making that leap. Well 2 Caleb and Elijah Levee. So 7th and 8th graders on Varsity are a non-factor here. No middle school programs. Vary hard to convince a middle school principal to fork out $8000 to $10,000 for a mat so some "kids" can "rassle". If I could convince one of the principals to do so then who would coach the team and who would they compete against? Having a middle school fork out $15,000 to $20,000 to start a program is a hard sell. Before I get all of this well "start a booster club", "have your high school kids coach them", and all of the other things I've heard. This is South Louisiana and you can't find a "rassler" on every street corner. So volunteers aren't just knocking down the doors to commit to coaching a team.

    9th graders can wrestle JV or Varsity. No one has a freshman team. Not a single school. JV has such a limited schedule. Maybe 4 tournaments all season. 12 matches against freshmen doesn't go very far towards preparing a kid for Varsity as a sophomore.

    If a kid is halfway decent he will run through the JV tournaments so it is of little benefit for him to even wrestle them. When we get down to the City tournament a kid seeded in the Varsity tournament cannot even participate in the JV tournament, even if he is a freshman.

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    coachbull,
    Since you don't have a middle school or 9th grade team, I can see why you want to keep 103.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachbull View Post
    Someone asked me earlier so here are the answers to those questions.

    7th and 8th Graders cannot participate at the Varsity Level unless they go to a school that is 7-12. Which to my knowledge is 3 in the state. 2 have wrestling and I've only seen one wrestler making that leap. Well 2 Caleb and Elijah Levee. So 7th and 8th graders on Varsity are a non-factor here.
    FL works the same as you describe except that there are quite a few private schools that have 7-12 on one campus. Most of the private schools around here do have wrestling teams so we have more middle schoolers wrestling varsity but it is unusual to have middle schoolers who have little experience wrestling varsity. Most middle schoolers who are on varsity in FL have extensive youth wrestling experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by coachbull View Post
    No middle school programs. Vary hard to convince a middle school principal to fork out $8000 to $10,000 for a mat so some "kids" can "rassle". If I could convince one of the principals to do so then who would coach the team and who would they compete against? Having a middle school fork out $15,000 to $20,000 to start a program is a hard sell. Before I get all of this well "start a booster club", "have your high school kids coach them", and all of the other things I've heard. This is South Louisiana and you can't find a "rassler" on every street corner. So volunteers aren't just knocking down the doors to commit to coaching a team.
    Same here. In fact, public schools here in FL have very little in the way of middle school sports. Most youth leagues run through age 14 or 8th grade. There just isn't any money for middle school sports.

    Quote Originally Posted by coachbull View Post
    9th graders can wrestle JV or Varsity. No one has a freshman team. Not a single school. JV has such a limited schedule. Maybe 4 tournaments all season. 12 matches against freshmen doesn't go very far towards preparing a kid for Varsity as a sophomore.

    If a kid is halfway decent he will run through the JV tournaments so it is of little benefit for him to even wrestle them. When we get down to the City tournament a kid seeded in the Varsity tournament cannot even participate in the JV tournament, even if he is a freshman.
    I think this is the way much of the country is set up. Nobody has a freshman team. There are some "beginner" tournaments that are for beginning wrestlers but there are no freshman teams. We do not have district, regional or state series for JV. JV is strictly local tournaments and the competition is quite a bit lower than varsity.

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    Oh. One other thing. We cannot "combine" teams. That's a no go in this state.

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    Oh. One other thing. We cannot "combine" teams. That's a no go in this state.
    Being able to combine teams has been a real savior for large numbers of rural and smaller schools sports programs throughout Minnesota.

    All sports have done it here.

    It is a great way to have a wider variety of sports opportunities for kids who might not had had them. So not just the largest sports but also sports like downhill skiing, ski-jumping, speed skating, lacrosse, cross country running and the list goes on.

    Another advantage beside sharing of athletes is sharing costs in programs and spreading out fundraising to multiple communities.
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    Gilroy California has a great High School Team alway top 5 in state. California has only one division, Gilroy success is due to a great Junior High and Freestyle programs. In 2008 they have 3 age group National Champions in elementary school. 1 Sophmore national Champion (3rd state) and a returning state Champion. They live by the statement: "Build it and they will come" Their High School coach over see all aspects of wrestling from 5 years old to 12th grade. Fund raising is the key to success. 3 DI wrestlers 2 at Fullerton (Gonzales.Duenes) and one at Michigan (Collins).

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    our team goes strictly by talent, if a freshman can beat out another starter then he deserves the spot. That's how it should be, freshman on varsity are rare, but it's always a good thing to see, because they have plenty of good experience even before they're upper class men

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