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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I think this is a valid explanation of how cutting the number of varsity weight classes could ultimately increase total participation and make the sport stronger.

    ccbig,
    Do you concede that this make sense for some regions?

    Maybe not your school, but others who work just as hard as you and care about wrestling just as much as you do?
    No, I really don't. You don't get positives from negatives and I have explained why many times in earlier posts within this thread.

    I know you keep homing in on the working harder theme that was a small part of of a point from another or much earlier part of this thread, I really think it is a large, group effort that needs to be done at all levels of wrestling from the bottom up. (Youth through high school)

    There are variations of things that could help JV or Middle school teams because of where grades are placed in various states.

    The overall harm by removing weight classes from varsity classes will not help the sport and would further divide states who went out on their own to make changes and cause a whole new set of problems when it comes to national events.
    Last edited by ccbig; 08-14-2008 at 08:04 PM.
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    No, I really don't. You don't get positives from negatives and I have explained why many times in earlier posts within this thread.
    Not really. You've explained how it would have a negative effect on your kids and your team, but I don't think you addressed it beyond that.

    To be fair, I guess your last post address it when you claim it will be bad for national events.

    That's a pretty lame argument, IMO.

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    No, I really don't. You don't get positives from negatives and I have explained why many times in earlier posts within this thread.
    So you think cutting from 14 to 12 would be a negative.

    Using that logic, going to 16 would be better than 14.

    How about 18...maybe 20?

    When is it too much?

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    If you can handle 14 with no problem, then end the merger with the other school you're with and both of you fill 14 spots.

    Now that's what I call increasing participation!

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    Not really. You've explained how it would have a negative effect on your kids and your team, but I don't think you addressed it beyond that.

    To be fair, I guess your last post address it when you claim it will be bad for national events.

    That's a pretty lame argument, IMO.
    Negitive because-

    Many middle schools have no middle school wrestling program at all. You would cut kids from one program and give them no where to go.

    Schools are in a budget crisis, many high school programs do not have the funds for a j.v. team or a 9th grade team. Again the kids have no place to go.

    There are kids at those weights (just less of them as explained by the use of a bell curve it is a natural thing) We hurt the great feature of wrestling has of being a sport that even small guys can do and excel at.

    There have been many other reasons listed but there is a good start for you if you missed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    If you can handle 14 with no problem, then end the merger with the other school you're with and both of you fill 14 spots.

    Now that's what I call increasing participation!
    That is a goal for someday in the future!

    The programs merged because neither school had enough enough wrestlers for a full team. Rather then let the sport die in two schools we became one stronger program.

    Now that we have combined and are doing the things that help build teams (strong youth program, strong middle school etc.) we may be able to split back apart in someday in the future. We just have not grown enough to make that jump yet.
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    Well I can tell you from where I stand, our middle school programs have taken a severe blow due to freshman being prematurely pulled up to varsity to fill weight classes (mostly 103, 112, 119). (Before you lecture me, I know their are some exceptional freshmen who belong on varsity.)

    So how should it be structure?

    In a way that benefits they way you do business or the way we do business?

    I would like to see each school filling 18 middle school weight classes and 12 varsity.

    You have 14 varsity and a weak or non existent middle school.

    Which do you think is better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Well I can tell you from where I stand, our middle school programs have taken a severe blow due to freshman being prematurely pulled up to varsity to fill weight classes (mostly 103, 112, 119). (Before you lecture me, I know their are some exceptional freshmen who belong on varsity.)

    So how should it be structure?

    In a way that benefits they way you do business or the way we do business?

    I would like to see each school filling 18 middle school weight classes and 12 varsity.

    You have 14 varsity and a weak or non existent middle school.

    Which do you think is better?
    Middle school is a bit of a tougher issue here because many clubs and youth programs run all the way through the middle school ages. A little less is done by clubs in 7th and 8th grade but the clubs are very active pre k - 6th grade.

    That leaves only 7th and 8th grade for a real middle school need. (Again remember we don't have 9th graders in middle school)

    It is hard for any but the largest schools to fill a middle school roster at every weight. At the middle school program where I was one of the coaches we did fill all the weights but it we had a few extra kids and some kids wrestled up a weight class. (We did not condone cutting weight for these age kids). We also held wrestle offs throughout the season for the weights that had several kids trying for the starter position.

    I think keeping the weights for the high school the way they are is best choice.
    If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for, at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Well I can tell you from where I stand, our middle school programs have taken a severe blow due to freshman being prematurely pulled up to varsity to fill weight classes (mostly 103, 112, 119). (Before you lecture me, I know their are some exceptional freshmen who belong on varsity.)

    So how should it be structure?

    In a way that benefits they way you do business or the way we do business?

    I would like to see each school filling 18 middle school weight classes and 12 varsity.

    You have 14 varsity and a weak or non existent middle school.

    Which do you think is better?
    How does it work that 9th grades are allowed to wrestle for a middle school? Is it one school? I think that in most parts of the country 9th graders are not permitted to wrestle for middle schools because:

    1. They are high school students.
    2. Students must wrestle for the school they attend not just any random school in the area.

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