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    Specialization!!!

    I believe this is why you are sing more freshman making the team. Two reasons, first the kids are wrestling all year around and second you are not getting the other athletes because they are also playing one sport al year around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legridder155 View Post
    Specialization!!!

    I believe this is why you are sing more freshman making the team. Two reasons, first the kids are wrestling all year around and second you are not getting the other athletes because they are also playing one sport al year around.
    Would you say that is good or bad for the sport as a whole?
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    So you are saying the best wrestling teams in Minnesota are the ones loaded with freshmen and sophomores?

    No, I never said anything even close to that.


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    I never knew kids in Minnesota peaked at 14, 15 and 16 years old. What you are saying is that kids like Dylan Ness and Destin McCaulley will both get worse these next two years when they are juniors and seniors.

    Again, I never said anything remotely like that.


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    I call bullshit on that one!

    Much like I will now with your curiously horrible interpretations of my statements.
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    I would say that specialization is bad for our sport and I believe every sport.

    Kids are not well rounded athletes today, which is not a good thing IMO. As I stated in another post parents are pushing these kids to one sport to try and get them a scholarship. These kids are not having as much fun in high school athletics as I did being a two sport athlete.

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    You are saying that the freshmen and sophomores are just as good as the juniors and seniors aren't you? If they are just as good, why are they not winning state championships at the middle to upper weight classes as they are at the two lowest weight classes?

    A freshman on the varsity should be something that is rare, but these days it is the norm. The best teams in every state have a great core of juniors and seniors. The freshmen that start for those team are not your run of the mill freshmen. They are freshmen that have a solid shot at qualifying, placing and winning state.

    This year we will probably have the best team in our history and we will probably have two freshmen in the line-up at most and maybe just one. One will probably be at 103/112 and the other could be at 119-135 depending on how our line-up looks.

    Back about five years ago when we had our best team ever, we had two freshmen in the lineup, one at 112 and one at 160. Both wrestlers were two of the best in our history.

    The less freshman you have in your varsity line-up the better your team will be, plain and simple. When you see a varsity football team with a bunch of sophomore or even freshman starters, you know they aren't going to be very good. The same goes for wrestling teams and pretty much any team in athletics. Sure those teams might be good in a couple years, but they aren't good now and that is what we are talking about.
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    I would say that specialization is bad for our sport and I believe every sport.

    Kids are not well rounded athletes today, which is not a good thing IMO. As I stated in another post parents are pushing these kids to one sport to try and get them a scholarship. These kids are not having as much fun in high school athletics as I did being a two sport athlete.
    So specialization leading to more freshmen and sophomores in the line-up is not good for the sport. Hmmm, interesting to say the least.

    So if there was a way to get more juniors and seniors in the line-up, would you think that would be good for the sport? Aren't the best teams the ones with a line-up filled with juniors and seniors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by legridder155 View Post
    I would say that specialization is bad for our sport and I believe every sport.

    Kids are not well rounded athletes today, which is not a good thing IMO. As I stated in another post parents are pushing these kids to one sport to try and get them a scholarship. These kids are not having as much fun in high school athletics as I did being a two sport athlete.
    I think specialization can be good or bad.

    Because of the level of competition, to be successful, many athletes specialize.

    I think anytime a kid is forced and or pressured to only do one sport that is a bad thing. Hopefully a athlete chooses one or two sports to specialize in (if they choose to specialize) it is because those are the sports they want to participate in.

    As a kid I was able to get together with other kids for "pick-up" games of baseball and football. (non team, non organized) in addition to the organized team sports teams I played on. Because of how spread out my son's schoolmates and friends are throughout our city that has never been a realistic opportunity my sons have ever had the chance to enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    You are saying that the freshmen and sophomores are just as good as the juniors and seniors aren't you? If they are just as good, why are they not winning state championships at the middle to upper weight classes as they are at the two lowest weight classes?

    A freshman on the varsity should be something that is rare, but these days it is the norm. The best teams in every state have a great core of juniors and seniors. The freshmen that start for those team are not your run of the mill freshmen. They are freshmen that have a solid shot at qualifying, placing and winning state.

    This year we will probably have the best team in our history and we will probably have two freshmen in the line-up at most and maybe just one. One will probably be at 103/112 and the other could be at 119-135 depending on how our line-up looks.

    Back about five years ago when we had our best team ever, we had two freshmen in the lineup, one at 112 and one at 160. Both wrestlers were two of the best in our history.

    The less freshman you have in your varsity line-up the better your team will be, plain and simple. When you see a varsity football team with a bunch of sophomore or even freshman starters, you know they aren't going to be very good. The same goes for wrestling teams and pretty much any team in athletics. Sure those teams might be good in a couple years, but they aren't good now and that is what we are talking about.
    What I had seen in most of your posts were that underclassman are not quality athletes.

    Yes, it would be unlikely that any team in any sport would excel if all of its athletes were underclassman. However there are many underclassman who are talented enough to be on a team and should have that opportunity available for them if they are that high of a caliber athlete.

    Football is a poor sport to compare with wrestling because so much of football relates to purely large size and strength. In wrestling a wrestler can overcome a stronger wrestler by having better wrestling skill much of the time. Body build may change the style or moves that work best for a wrestler but it does not in most cases give the wrestler an outright advantage over other wrestlers.

    You stated your great teams did have underclassman. Would those teams have been better having a inexperienced upperclassman take the place of those underclassman at those same weights just to have kids only be upperclassmen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by legridder155 View Post
    Specialization!!!

    I believe this is why you are sing more freshman making the team. Two reasons, first the kids are wrestling all year around and second you are not getting the other athletes because they are also playing one sport al year around.
    According to fellow poster 'ptoc-nwca' and the official stats, wrestling participation is INCREASING.

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