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    There has been some discussion about changing the weight classes for high school wrestling. I for one am opposed to the weights that I saw proposed and the elimination of weight classes. I want kids to have the opportunity to compete and do not want to diminish those opportunities by eliminating weight classes. Minnesota wants to lead the charge towards the elimination of weight classes to 13 and then maybe even 12. Some have proposed as few as 11. I like the fact that we can provide a place for an athlete that is small in stature. Few other sports can offer that opportunity. The athletes under 125 pounds can compete and be successful they can't do so in basketball, rarely in football and baseball, and unless they are very quick track is out. So why this emphasis on eliminating weight classes? Is this truly about what is best for the kids competing? Is this about schools wanting to be more competitive with less kids competing? Is there so much emphasis on winning team titles and dual meets that we will eliminate opportunities for our kids to compete? What a sad state of affairs we find ourselves in when we put our egos as coaches above what is best for our kids.

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    I agree with you. They should leave it alone if it is working now. The question is can they fill a team? Are the smaller div. unable to fill a team? That is why they might be looking at cutting classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legridder155 View Post
    I agree with you. They should leave it alone if it is working now. The question is can they fill a team? Are the smaller div. unable to fill a team? That is why they might be looking at cutting classes.
    That is the reason - it's to try to eliminate forfeits when a school can't fill all the weight classes, or is forced to put an inexperienced wrestler in to fill a vacant slot. It's better competition vs. more participation, and I, too, would favor the side of more participation, especially in a sport such as wrestling where you don't have the substitution options that exist in sports like football and basketball.
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    Hogwash!

    In reality there are more experienced wrestlers at smaller weights because the smaller kids don't have other sports they can participate in easily.

    The inexperienced wrestlers are much more often the heavyweights!



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    That is the reason - it's to try to eliminate forfeits when a school can't fill all the weight classes, or is forced to put an inexperienced wrestler in to fill a vacant slot. It's better competition vs. more participation, and I, too, would favor the side of more participation, especially in a sport such as wrestling where you don't have the substitution options that exist in sports like football and basketball.
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    MY proposal for new weights would be
    108, 115, 121, 127, 133, 139, 145, 152, 160, 171, 180, 189, 215, 285

    103lbs is too small these days and just in Indiana over 20% of the teams forfeited the weight this year. Also, way too many freshmen are starting at 103lbs these days. Back when I was in high school(about 10 years ago), there were many more juniors and seniors at that weight. Too many kids are being thrown into these spots just because they are small, while you see 185lb juniors and seniors sit the bench because they are stuck between weight classes. Keeping 103lbs or 98lbs as a JV or freshman weight is fine, but as a varsity weight it needs to go. Kids are bigger these days and with the new weight loss rules less and less kids can make the weight AND be healthy at the same time.

    We also need a weight class around 180lbs to help get bigger guys out for the sport. The 18lbs gap is way too much and there is no real weight class in high school that correlates to the 184lb weight class in college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    MY proposal for new weights would be
    108, 115, 121, 127, 133, 139, 145, 152, 160, 171, 180, 189, 215, 285

    103lbs is too small these days and just in Indiana over 20% of the teams forfeited the weight this year. Also, way too many freshmen are starting at 103lbs these days. Back when I was in high school(about 10 years ago), there were many more juniors and seniors at that weight. Too many kids are being thrown into these spots just because they are small, while you see 185lb juniors and seniors sit the bench because they are stuck between weight classes. Keeping 103lbs or 98lbs as a JV or freshman weight is fine, but as a varsity weight it needs to go. Kids are bigger these days and with the new weight loss rules less and less kids can make the weight AND be healthy at the same time.

    We also need a weight class around 180lbs to help get bigger guys out for the sport. The 18lbs gap is way too much and there is no real weight class in high school that correlates to the 184lb weight class in college.
    I couldn't disagree more with eliminating the smallest weights.

    One of my sons is entering 10th grade at just under 100lbs.

    25% of students in 9th and 10 grade are in the 103-105 weight range.

    How can you bar varsity level competition for 1/4 of underclassmen?

    Last season my son wrestled varsity 103 and he wrestled several 11th and 1 or 2 12th graders at the 103 weight. I know there are not as many upperclassmen at that weight but that is not a reason to eliminate it and give those smaller kids no opportunity at all.

    At USA wrestling cadet nationals there is a 84 lb. weight class. What other sport can a kid that size at that age compete in?

    In Minnesota by far the most forfeits because of teams not having kids at those weights came at the larger weights.

    Too many heavyweights play only football or basketball. (Apparently wrestling is too hard and or too much work for many of them.)

    This is no other sport that allows smaller built kids to compete against guys their size.

    My soon to be 10th grader played 9th grade football. Some kids on his 9th grade team weighed 260 lbs. or more. Those size differences are just plain dangerous. I am happy he is switching to Cross Country running for this fall.

    I have 3 sons, all are wildly different in sizes. My oldest son wrestled 215 in high school and is now 6'3" 265 lbs. My middle son will probably be lucky to break 130 lbs before leaving high school and my youngest son will probably end up in the middle in size between his brothers.

    We need to keep the sport open to as much participation as possible!

    Teams not filling a weight is a program recruiting problem, not one where kids are not there to fill the weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    MY proposal for new weights would be
    108, 115, 121, 127, 133, 139, 145, 152, 160, 171, 180, 189, 215, 285

    103lbs is too small these days and just in Indiana over 20% of the teams forfeited the weight this year. Also, way too many freshmen are starting at 103lbs these days. Back when I was in high school(about 10 years ago), there were many more juniors and seniors at that weight. Too many kids are being thrown into these spots just because they are small, while you see 185lb juniors and seniors sit the bench because they are stuck between weight classes. Keeping 103lbs or 98lbs as a JV or freshman weight is fine, but as a varsity weight it needs to go. Kids are bigger these days and with the new weight loss rules less and less kids can make the weight AND be healthy at the same time.

    We also need a weight class around 180lbs to help get bigger guys out for the sport. The 18lbs gap is way too much and there is no real weight class in high school that correlates to the 184lb weight class in college.
    I agree completely only I'd make the jump from 189 to 192-5.Too many kids wrestling 215 that weigh 195 . 171 -189-215 as it stands now -at least here -is just too large a gap-my senior year -30 some years ago Yoder -our coach -literally pulled a kid out of Gym class just so we wouldn't forfeit -our line-up was hell on wheels from 105 through Hwt. though . That kid from Indian Creek won the state as a frosh at 103 and went unbeaten-but when he would wrestle freestyle and go 112 he routinely got his arse kicked . Whenever a weight class involves a leap of 10-15 % of a kids total body mass you're askng alot out of that kid .

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    First off, should we have a weight class for one person? I think not!

    Secondly, in Minnesota they allow 7th and 8th graders to be varsity athletes. Most states do not allow this. The only states I know of are Minnesota, South Dakota, New York and Florida(private schools). Allowing 7th and 8th graders to wrestle means there will be plenty of kids weighing 100lbs to fill the weight class.

    Teams not filling a weight is a program recruiting problem, not one where kids are not there to fill the weights.
    Not when a school like Bellmont in Indiana can't even fill the weight. Bellmont is one of the top 5 best schools in the state year in, year out and didn't have one this past year and had to suck a kid down two years ago to make the weight. They have a very strong feeder program and great tradition.

    Were did you find that 25% of 15 and 16 year old boys weigh 103-105? Why can't they wait until they are 110lbs to be varsity when they are a sophomore or junior like a kid that weighs 140lbs as a freshman has to do most of the time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    First off, should we have a weight class for one person? I think not!

    It is not for one kid if a large percentage of kids weigh that amount.

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Secondly, in Minnesota they allow 7th and 8th graders to be varsity athletes. Most states do not allow this. The only states I know of are Minnesota, South Dakota, New York and Florida(private schools). Allowing 7th and 8th graders to wrestle means there will be plenty of kids weighing 100lbs to fill the weight class.

    Minnesota allows 7th and 8th graders to be are Varsity teams in all high school sports not just wrestling.

    That does not alter the fact that a large number of kids are of a smaller size and eliminating a sport opportunity for those smaller kids makes no sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Not when a school like Bellmont in Indiana can't even fill the weight. Bellmont is one of the top 5 best schools in the state year in, year out and didn't have one this past year and had to suck a kid down two years ago to make the weight. They have a very strong feeder program and great tradition.

    Still a recruiting issue. What effort was made to make sure all weights are covered? Again in Minnesota the empty weights have been mostly at the 215 to heavyweights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Were did you find that 25% of 15 and 16 year old boys weigh 103-105? Why can't they wait until they are 110lbs to be varsity when they are a sophomore or junior like a kid that weighs 140lbs as a freshman has to do most of the time?

    I haven't found the exact chart (it was on another website with a similar discussion), so instead I submit this website link-

    http://www.disabled-world.com/artman...ht-teens.shtml

    It shows the average weight of 14-15 year old boys is 105-125 lbs.

    If that is the average it is fair to assume that a large number of those kids are 105 or less.
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