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  1. #73

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    Thanks for the info, what is the percentage of forfeits at 103 and 112? I'm curious as to how high they really are.
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  2. #74

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    I don't see very many forfeits here in NE Ohio. However you do see mainly freshman and sophomores at the two lowest weights.

  3. #75

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    On an average, 103 accounts for 15-16% of the forfeits and 112 about 11-12%.

  4. #76

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    Thanks, thats not good when 27% of the forfeits are in two weight classes.

    Do you know what the percentage or number of team that forfeit those weights are?
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  5. #77

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    I didn't actually look at that on the high school level but I have looked at on the college level.

    One of the things we are looking is the number of schools who have a wrestler that is certified at 103. Then those states that use our system for results or recording weighins, looking at how many actually go to that weight.

  6. #78

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    Wow my 103 had 3 forfeits in 55 matches. We must be on the very low end of that spectrum.

  7. #79

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    Forfeits in my area have become so common that coaches are now certifying stat girls and suiting them up to collect 6 pts. when the other team is forfeiting.

    No joke.

    Also, I've seen more and more coaches abandoning the team mentality and focusing on a few elite wrestlers and their individual success.

    With more and more specialization, I've seen less kids participating in wrestling, but more elite wrestlers.

    Also, recruiting is causing the elite wrestlers to pool together on all-star type teams while depleting the average programs.

    My gut tells me to drop 2 weight classes and have the lightest be 108.

  8. #80

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    The participation number in wrestling have been steadily increasing over the past few years especially. We also looked closely at the particiation rates broken down by state to see what the trends are in each state. I have not posted it yet on our site but I will. You will see that I think about 40 of the states have increased each year and only eight had a decrease. Those that had a decrease all but three ahd a decrease of less than 200 or so (I would need to check my data for the actual numbers). This bucks the trend that says wrestling is dying and participation is dropping because it is not.

    What we are seeing a bunch more co-op teams which has decreased the actual numbers of schools sponsoring wrestling but not decreasing the participation numbers.

    The forfeit data clearly shows that the issue is happening at the lowest weights and 171 and 189. While not every state uses our system, the percentages and ratios are the same in every state we collect data from.

    If we drop weights, the weights will get dropped in the middle. The problem on the most we are having is not in the middle but really on the low end. So the question, is are we solving our problem by dropping two weight classes where we should have sufficient numbers.

    For every weight class you drop, you lose 9500 varsity participation opportunities nationally (9500 schools).

    When you looks at things nationally with 103, the number of eligible wrestlers at 103 also varies regionally. The southwest has a much larger number of 103lbs, then the midwest. The midwest is different than the east which is different than the southeast. For this data we are removing 7th and 8th graders from the equation.

    This is just a bit more data to add to your discussion.

  9. #81

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    Ok then if the southeast and soutwest are having sufficient numbers in the lower weights then why should someone arbitrarily come in and eliminate those lower classes? Believe me the wrestling rules are changing and none of the coaches in my area are being consulted. Believe me the commisioners for the high school athletic association don't know whats best for our sport. The coaches do. The influence in the north and the midwest will be the voices heard while we in the south will be left out. What kind of foolishness is that? The NFHS doesn't even have our 4 timers listed in their record book. Do they even know we have wrestling? My idea in starting this thread was to have different ideas discussed because I know that we will not be represented in the argument at the National level.

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