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    New Jersey just raised the bar on blocking transfers for athletic advantage. Starting fall, '08, it is a 12 month eligibility penalty of you transfer after the start of 10th grade.........unless the family has moved residence or the change is for financial hardship (transfer out of a prep). The family must prove financial hardship other than an increase in tuition. It essentially blocks the cherry picking by the preps.

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    I'm all for blocking transfers for athletic reasons, but what about a kid whose parents want to send him to a prep school because he's doing poorly in public school? Won't this also discourage a transfer for the right reasons? True, you can't prove people's motives, but this is a double edged sword.
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    This ruling kind of strips kids of the ability to use the tools they have to better their lot in life. I think this rule penalizes kids who have a chance to get into better schools because someone doesn't like the reason. It's ok for kids to go to private schools for one reason, but not another? That doesn't make sense to me.

    Also-if a kid tries a private school and his family decides it was the wrong choice for him, why should he forfeit a year of his high school sports eligibility?

    Parents have the ultimate responsibilty for their kids. No athletic association should have a say in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudpatriot View Post
    It's ok for kids to go to private schools for one reason, but not another? That doesn't make sense to me.
    It does to me. The primary purpose of a school is to provide an education. Chess club, band and wrestling are just adjuncts to this, and are beside the point. Academics should be the primary reason for choosing one institution over another, and when they're not, parents are losing sight of why their kids are in school in the first place. Can we fairly enforce this? Well that's another queston.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    It does to me. The primary purpose of a school is to provide an education. Chess club, band and wrestling are just adjuncts to this, and are beside the point. Academics should be the primary reason for choosing one institution over another, and when they're not, parents are losing sight of why their kids are in school in the first place. Can we fairly enforce this? Well that's another queston.
    I agree that the primary purpose of school is educating students. The thing is that often chess club, band, debate, sports and other adjucts to education are frequently the means that some students have to better their lives in the long run. These activities sometimes help students get scholarships, or help them focus their lives in other meaningful ways.

    If wrestling (or some other sport) is the vehicle for some students to better their overall lives, the adults in power should think long and hard before placing restrictions on participation. I think it's wrong to remove one of a limited number of years of participation from a student unless the student actually commits some sort of wrongdoing, or neglects his studies to the extent that he is not getting an education. Students should not be penalized because they change schools, whatever the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudpatriot View Post
    I agree that the primary purpose of school is educating students. The thing is that often chess club, band, debate, sports and other adjucts to education are frequently the means that some students have to better their lives in the long run. These activities sometimes help students get scholarships, or help them focus their lives in other meaningful ways.

    If wrestling (or some other sport) is the vehicle for some students to better their overall lives, the adults in power should think long and hard before placing restrictions on participation. I think it's wrong to remove one of a limited number of years of participation from a student unless the student actually commits some sort of wrongdoing, or neglects his studies to the extent that he is not getting an education. Students should not be penalized because they change schools, whatever the reason.

    Proudpatriot,

    I agree with you that restrictions on participation should not be enacted lightly, and as I said in my first post in this topic, may have detrimental consequenses beyond those intended. My problem is with parents who put sports above academics and change schools or keep kids in lower grades longer only to improve their chances for athletic success. In no way do I mean to minimize the importance of any extracurricular activity in a student's education and maturation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Proudpatriot,

    I agree with you that restrictions on participation should not be enacted lightly, and as I said in my first post in this topic, may have detrimental consequenses beyond those intended. My problem is with parents who put sports above academics and change schools or keep kids in lower grades longer only to improve their chances for athletic success. In no way do I mean to minimize the importance of any extracurricular activity in a student's education and maturation.
    As a music educator I'm really glad you said that.

    I understand that parents do all sorts of stupid stuff. Mommy and daddy keep junior home a year when he starts school then they "homeschool" him for a year and he returns to the grade he "homeschooled". Now the kid is 2 years older than the other kids in his grade and plays lacrosse as a 16 year old "middle school" lacrosse player against our 11 year old 6th graders (who look like 11 year olds). Grrrrr......

    But I don't believe that you can legislate against stupidity. I think parents should be allowed to make all decisions for their kids, even if they make decisions I think are stupid. A similar motion failed here in FL. I am glad it failed because I do think parents should have the ultimate say in how their kids are raised, even if others don't approve.

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    Proudpatriot, I think, we pretty much see eye to eye. Still, I'd like to see a way to keep these "sports transfer" abuses from happening. I know of several cases where a coach let a kid live with him for a year to establish residence and let the kid play on the team. Preposterous!
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    Establishing residency fraudulently is a different animal than simply moving from public to private, private to private or private to public. It is an ENORMOUS issue here in FL, especially with regard to football.

    There needs to be a way to deal with fraud that doesn't rob all kids who transfer of eligibility.

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