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    Default Re: Is this why MN coaches are trying to cut a weight class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    I would like to see 103 bumped to 108-110lbs, 112 to 115lbs and maybe 119 to 120lbs and everything else the same.

    I received 25 out of 32 sectional(first round of the state tournament) brackets this year in Indiana and decided to see where the most forfeits were. It was quite a bit more at 103 and 112. Note that Indiana does NOT allow middle school kids on the varsity team and in my opinion middle school kids should NEVER participate in varsity athletics.

    My question is how many 8th graders start in Minnesota in basketball or football or any other sport? The reason there are more forfeits at the upper weights in Minnesota is they allow the 7th and 8th graders to wrestle. In states that they do not allow them to wrestle there are numerous forfeits at the lower weight classes.
    Why should middle school kids NEVER participate in varsity athletics?

    In FL middle school kids are allowed to participate in varsity athletics but ONLY if they actually attend the school they represent. That leaves out most public school kids in our area.

    I don't see the problem with middle school kids participating in varsity athletics. Basketball and football are quite different from wrestling, which is weight controlled. My son played JV lacrosse in 7th grade and will probably get in a varsity lacrosse game this year (in 8th). He also participated on the varsity wrestling team at 103. Our 103s were competitive. We had 3 kids wrestle off every week for that spot and my son won.....What is the problem with that?

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    They have middle school athletics for middle school students, high school athletics is for high school students.

    Do you go to a high school varsity football game to watch middle schoolers play football or juniors and seniors play?
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

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  3. #21

    Default Re: Is this why MN coaches are trying to cut a weight class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    I would like to see 103 bumped to 108-110lbs, 112 to 115lbs and maybe 119 to 120lbs and everything else the same.

    I received 25 out of 32 sectional(first round of the state tournament) brackets this year in Indiana and decided to see where the most forfeits were. It was quite a bit more at 103 and 112. Note that Indiana does NOT allow middle school kids on the varsity team and in my opinion middle school kids should NEVER participate in varsity athletics.

    My question is how many 8th graders start in Minnesota in basketball or football or any other sport? The reason there are more forfeits at the upper weights in Minnesota is they allow the 7th and 8th graders to wrestle. In states that they do not allow them to wrestle there are numerous forfeits at the lower weight classes.


    Here is the data I compiled

    http://garrettwrestling.com/brackets...trubution.html
    is garrett the railroaders? Crazy?

  4. #22

    Default Re: Is this why MN coaches are trying to cut a weight class?

    Crazy what?

    How is the hardware business?
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

  5. #23

    Default Re: Is this why MN coaches are trying to cut a weight class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    They have middle school athletics for middle school students, high school athletics is for high school students.

    Do you go to a high school varsity football game to watch middle schoolers play football or juniors and seniors play?
    There is no middle school wrestling around here. Middle school kids either go to youth tournaments or they wait until high school. What is the harm in middle school kids participating in varsity sports, at their own school?

    If I am not mistaken the teams are for the KIDS not the spectators. It's not a matter of what I go to the games to watch. I watch whomever is playing. I think your priorities are reversed.

  6. #24

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    My priorities are to have high school athletes on the high school teams. How many 8th graders are on the varsity football and basketball teams in Florida? That is why wrestling is considered a second class sport there. How do you explain to a casual observer that this middle schooler deserves to be a varsity athlete? Most of the time I would say they get the spot by default or by beating another middle schooler.

    What does that say to the 8th grader who is 200lbs and solid athlete when he sees a 100lb kid get a varsity spot just because of his size? No wonder its hard to find big guys, its because they see all those classmates of theirs lettering because they are small not based on athletic ability.
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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    Default Re: Is this why MN coaches are trying to cut a weight class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    My priorities are to have high school athletes on the high school teams. How many 8th graders are on the varsity football and basketball teams in Florida? That is why wrestling is considered a second class sport there. How do you explain to a casual observer that this middle schooler deserves to be a varsity athlete? Most of the time I would say they get the spot by default or by beating another middle schooler.

    What does that say to the 8th grader who is 200lbs and solid athlete when he sees a 100lb kid get a varsity spot just because of his size? No wonder its hard to find big guys, its because they see all those classmates of theirs lettering because they are small not based on athletic ability.
    How can you explain to a causal observer that an 8th grader does NOT deserve to be a varsity athlete?

    My son earned his spot every week. There was no default at 103. We had THREE 103s who wrestled off before every tournament. Nobody won the spot by default. We also had a 7th grader as our starter at 119. He also had to wrestle off against 2 high school kids every week. Why shouldn't the better wrestlers win the spots? Why should the spots go to the high school kids simply because they are in high school?

    We had multiple kids at the lower weights and middle weights but it was the heavier weights where there was no competition. Our coaches would have LOVED to have a 200 lb middle school kid. We had no 215. Our coach PUT a high school kid there who's natural weight was around 185 so that we could fill the spot. Our hwt won by forfeit more than any other wrestler on our team.

  8. #26

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    What grade are the kids that your son had to wrestle-off?

    And my example is probably one of the reasons you lack big guys on your team. They see the little guys getting varsity spots and lettering as middle schoolers and don't want to wait for their spot on the varsity team.
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

  9. #27

    Default Re: Is this why MN coaches are trying to cut a weight class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    What grade are the kids that your son had to wrestle-off?

    And my example is probably one of the reasons you lack big guys on your team. They see the little guys getting varsity spots and lettering as middle schoolers and don't want to wait for their spot on the varsity team.
    Who cares what grade those kids were in? If the kid deserves to be out there by being the best then why shouldn't he be out there regardless of their age? Seriously Champ, what is your vendetta against the 'little guy'? You consistantly come on here and voice your opinion against having younger kids participate in varsity athletics. I know plenty of kids who participated on their local High School Varsity team, while being in 7th and 8th grade, and NO they weren't just wrestlers. Hockey players, Track stars, Cross Country runners, Skiiers, Cheerleaders, etc. ALL participated in their respective sport because they were BETTER than their competition, not because they needed a body to fill the lineup. Why do you think that they shouldn't be allowed to compete?

    Where would Destin McCauley be? Or Eric Devos? Destin would be a 1X State Champion, and we would only be speculating on how good Devos would be. Eric Dominated the 103lb weight class this year, didn't allow a single offensive point against him. I don't care if he's in the smallest weight class that is impressive. Destin is one of the BEST wrestlers in MN period... and he's only a 9th grader. Ben Morgan the 112AAA State Champion is only an 8th grader, but he won a State Title at a weight class with some older kids, should he not have competed because he's only an 8th grader? PS, Ben showed tremendous Heart in his State Championship match! But I guess he shouldn't have even been there right?

    I've said this before, but during my high school days my team struggled to find bigger wrestlers. I went to a school of 2500 kids, not exactly a small school. We had plenty of smaller kids come out for the sport, and almost always had out smaller weights filled, with good kids regardless of their age. We consistantley had to forfit or throw a JV wrestler out on the mat to fill 215 and HWT. And Please, just because bigger kids see smaller kids get "more"(as you put it) opportunities is not the reason that they don't come out for the sport.

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