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01-29-2008, 07:29 PM
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08024/851793-364.stm
Is this an issue any where besides PA?
What are some peoples thoughts on high school athletes transfering schools for athletic intent?
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01-29-2008, 07:47 PM
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I'm for open enrollment myself. I think you should have a choice where you want to attend. |
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01-29-2008, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Trusty  I'm for open enrollment myself. I think you should have a choice where you want to attend. | I agree.. Apple Valley gets a bit of flack for having people transfer in for the purposes of wrestling...My question for them always is, why do you feel it is any of your business what someone you don't even know is doing? |
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01-29-2008, 08:53 PM
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From what I read there, PA is heading down the path of litigation. Far too vague to be interpreted consistently throughout the state.
If teh family up and moves, takes up residency in another town. Case closed.
No, no's - moving in with Gram Uncle Bob and brother Joe in a different town.
Heck, here in NJ, a couple of kids got DQ'd near the end of the season when the transfer was deemed for athletic intent. They trasnferred to a hot hockey prep school 45 miles away from the local public because they had a spat with the coach. The coach filed a complaint and it stuck. On the other hand we had two state level wrestlers, brothers, that got into a spat with a coach mid season. They up and moved in with their divorsed Dad in another town. They had to practice for 1 week before they could wrestle. The former coach filed a complaint, but lost because the kids moved the residence and in with a parent.
Funny, but when you read the wrestling programs, in the tournament histories sections, they'll be listed as country champs at one school, and district and region champs at another for the same year.
Whenever a kid trasnfers in or out a prep school, they have to sit for 30 days if they were on a varsity squad. Zach Tanelli, Wisconsin got hit with that one, 30 days on the bench, his senior year when he transferred midseason from a prep back to home town HS.
NJ is looking to get tougher too. They're talking about a sitting for 12 onths after a transfer without change in residency. |
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01-29-2008, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RYou From what I read there, PA is heading down the path of litigation. Far too vague to be interpreted consistently throughout the state.
If teh family up and moves, takes up residency in another town. Case closed.
No, no's - moving in with Gram Uncle Bob and brother Joe in a different town. | Charlie Falck lived with a family who's son graduated a couple years before Charlie moved up. (and who went to Iowa). Seemed to be the only time in my recollection that AV had anything close to a real issue with transfers |
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01-29-2008, 08:58 PM
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Transfering for the purpose of sports is wrong IMO. Students should transfer for academic reasons or because of a move, divorce ect. But not because of sports, I think this gives way to recruiting. Not that it doesnt happen now but it would increase, again IMO. |
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01-29-2008, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UGLY Transfering for the purpose of sports is wrong IMO. Students should transfer for academic reasons or because of a move, divorce ect. But not because of sports, I think this gives way to recruiting. Not that it doesnt happen now but it would increase, again IMO. | Some people use high school academics as a means to a college education, others use high school athletics. If moving to another school increases your odds in either arena, I think you should go for it.
Another problem is, try proving a move wasn't for academics... Even if the school is worse academically, they can say they wanted to move to a slower paced academic institution... |
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01-29-2008, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Schlottke Some people use high school academics as a means to a college education, others use high school athletics. If moving to another school increases your odds in either arena, I think you should go for it.
Another problem is, try proving a move wasn't for academics... Even if the school is worse academically, they can say they wanted to move to a slower paced academic institution... | I see what you are saying but if you are good enough to get into college you are going to standout anywhere you attend school.
As to your second point, I coach at a school that is considered one the best academic institutions public or private and when people transfer in they are put through a tough interview and if they are not transferring for any reason other than what I mentioned then they are denied entrance. One example I would give is that an all-state running back tried to transfer in and the principal did not think he was coming over for the academic advantages so they denied his transfer. It happens all the time. |
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01-29-2008, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Schlottke Some people use high school academics as a means to a college education, others use high school athletics. If moving to another school increases your odds in either arena, I think you should go for it. | No, no, no. This is all wrong and perverted. Athletics are part of a well rounded education, but winning is not. Changing schools to increase one's chances of success in sports distorts the whole purpose of athletics and sends very wrong and dangerous messages to kids, namely: 1) winning is what's important in sports, 2) it's okay to bend the rules to get what you want, 3) a sport is so important that it justifies leaving an otherwise satisfactory academic institution. Wrong, wrong, wrong. 
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01-29-2008, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Spider No, no, no. This is all wrong and perverted. Athletics are part of a well rounded education, but winning is not. Changing schools to increase one's chances of success in sports distorts the whole purpose of athletics and sends very wrong and dangerous messages to kids, namely: 1) winning is what's important in sports, 2) it's okay to bend the rules to get what you want, 3) a sport is so important that it justifies leaving an otherwise satisfactory academic institution. Wrong, wrong, wrong. |
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