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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach_D View Post
    In a heavyweight match last season our guy had his opponent pinned. The ref had already counted 4 and was about to call the pin when he noticed the slightest of a trickle of blood in the corner of the nose of the guy getting pinned. He stopped the match for blood...?
    Poor judgement, maybe, but legal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coach_D View Post
    In a match my son was in he called out of bounds because the opponent was out. My son was in from his thighs down but the ref did not give credit for the takedown. Later in the same match the other guy took my son down out of bounds and only his feet from his ankles down were in and the ref called it a takedown.
    In the first situation, maybe there wasn't control; in the second situation, the call was correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coach_D View Post
    I watched a match last year where the ref called pin but couldn't even see the shoulders. He was on the entirely opposite side from where the pin was occuring. I happened to be videotaping it and could see on camera that the guys shoulders were 3-4 inches off of the mat. how the ref called pin I do not know.
    Were the bases of the scapulae touching the mat? This is a pin even if the actual shoulders are off the mat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coach_D View Post
    My experience is that it is best to just get used to it. Many refs have no idea what they are doing and use their opinion and not what they see.
    You need to give more facts before you just diss the refs out of hand. These could all have been bad calls, but there could also be circumstances which justify them. And BTW, I'm not an official, I'm a coach.
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    Default Re: referee rules and decisions unfair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Poor judgement, maybe, but legal.



    In the first situation, maybe there wasn't control; in the second situation, the call was correct.



    Were the bases of the scapulae touching the mat? This is a pin even if the actual shoulders are off the mat.



    You need to give more facts before you just diss the refs out of hand. These could all have been bad calls, but there could also be circumstances which justify them. And BTW, I'm not an official, I'm a coach.
    I believe it is any part of the scapulae touching. All these calls could go either way. All depends on the eye of the beholder. Reminds me of the Jeff Jaggers vs. Chad Mendes match. Some felt it was an illegal move by Mendes. Others just an accident.

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    thanks for the info, is there a website for all the new posted rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moochaka View Post
    I personally haven't had any issues with unfair calls from refs, but many of my teammates have gotten bad calls from them, a lot when wrestling poway. Sometimes refs don't see your point of view and make bad calls.
    On a side note:was this at the vista frosh/soph dual tourney?
    this was at the john bright tournament for freshmen and JV, i entered JV, its my second year wrestling and lost to two poways for some silly calls, i lost against one by a score of 2-3, he got a take down and i got reversal, then at one point he had a low single and i tried getting off but then called for kicking him, i had no idea that i was kicking him
    last match i wrestled a different poway for third place he got takedown and then i got a nose bleed some how with a minute bloodtime, i continued and he got one more takedown, second period came, he chose bottom, he got reversal, few seconds late on bottom i got a reversal, i broke him down, half-fed got fivesecond near fall ending with 5-5 second period, third period came and i chose bottom, he shoved my face in the ground while i kept hold of his arm, he shoved his arm in my mouth then gave a yell and a scene, ending with me DQ'd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach_D View Post
    I have seen similar silly calls on several occasions. A few from recent memory...

    - In a heavyweight match last season our guy had his opponent pinned. The ref had already counted 4 and was about to call the pin when he noticed the slightest of a trickle of blood in the corner of the nose of the guy getting pinned. He stopped the match for blood...?

    - In a match my son was in he called out of bounds because the opponent was out. My son was in from his thighs down but the ref did not give credit for the takedown. Later in the same match the other guy took my son down out of bounds and only his feet from his ankles down were in and the ref called it a takedown.

    - I watched a match last year where the ref called pin but couldn't even see the shoulders. He was on the entirely opposite side from where the pin was occuring. I happened to be videotaping it and could see on camera that the guys shoulders were 3-4 inches off of the mat. how the ref called pin I do not know.

    My experience is that it is best to just get used to it. Many refs have no idea what they are doing and use their opinion and not what they see.
    Any of those circumstances could be very legit calls under the right circumstances. Without a lot more details then I would have a hard time arguing them either way. I am a coach now (have been for the past 6 years) but I was an official for 2 years before that and I can promise you that the view is much different and much BETTER out on the mat than it is from the corner/bleachers/scorer's table/or anywhere else. There are VERY few times that a coach is in better position to see what is going on than the official is. If you really want to continue to criticize officials then try doing it for a year--it will put things in a whole new light.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhippetGrappler View Post
    I believe it is any part of the scapulae touching. All these calls could go either way. All depends on the eye of the beholder. Reminds me of the Jeff Jaggers vs. Chad Mendes match. Some felt it was an illegal move by Mendes. Others just an accident.

    I didn't see an illegal move really, just a guy trying to score points and another trying not to give them up.
    Quote Originally Posted by mothings View Post
    this was at the john bright tournament for freshmen and JV, i entered JV, its my second year wrestling and lost to two poways for some silly calls, i lost against one by a score of 2-3, he got a take down and i got reversal, then at one point he had a low single and i tried getting off but then called for kicking him, i had no idea that i was kicking him
    last match i wrestled a different poway for third place he got takedown and then i got a nose bleed some how with a minute bloodtime, i continued and he got one more takedown, second period came, he chose bottom, he got reversal, few seconds late on bottom i got a reversal, i broke him down, half-fed got fivesecond near fall ending with 5-5 second period, third period came and i chose bottom, he shoved my face in the ground while i kept hold of his arm, he shoved his arm in my mouth then gave a yell and a scene, ending with me DQ'd
    Knowing that it was a JV/Novice tournament there is a very good chance that you had JV/Novice officials. When I first started out as an official I did a lot of JV/Novice tournaments. Often times the head official at these tournaments would even tell the coaches (almost always at the beginning of the year when we were all still green) that we had a young/inexperienced crew. While it sucks that you may have gotten hosed by a bad call look at it this way. There is a learning curve for officials just like for wrestlers and coaches, would you rather have a new official in your first tournament when you are a JV/Novice or at the end of the year in the district semi-finals match?
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    This sounds like a situation at the Mountian Vista tournament between two captians one from Gateway and the other from Mountian Vista. Exempt the Ref didn't call it and he lost because of that..... and it sucked.

    Dylan Avery vs Brian Conahan I belive this was the match. Conahan ended up winning 6-5

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