Thread: Apple Valley wins 7 of 10 State Final Matches

Me too. I like his frame and obviously the pedigree.

The one thing he is lacking, though, is a big win over an AV kid in Folkstyle like Jayson (when he stomped Falck in Sections)

man i hope mccauley goes to iowa

Am I hearing correct, there are only about 60 teams in the division that Minnesota won?

They have three levels of wrestling in Minnesota, A, AA, AAA. AV is in AAA. They had the #11 team in the country in Owatonna that never made it to the team final losing to another nationally ranked team in St. Michael-Albertville. Three top 20 teams in highschool in the same division is reasonable depth. The scary thing is that I don't think they lose but 3 seniors off of this team.

Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts

Christ, Minnesota needs to get some depth.

Why when AV wins seven titles in a larger division its a lack of depth and when St. Paris does it, it's an amazing accomplishment?

They beat the team that the Thorns wrestled for in the finals 54-12. I've got no problem saying I think their the best team in the country after that performance- I'd have said SPG all the way up until AV sent 10 to the finals.

The most titles they'd ever won before was five. Before that, two or three were expected. The level of competition in AAA hasn't gone down, AV has started to peak - The 130# weight class is a perfect example. A Freshman who entered the tournament 29-12 wins a bracket by beating the guy who beat him a week earlier (who'd beaten AWN #10 Ben Morgan 12-3 in the semis)... That essentially means that there are three top 10 kids at 130 in MN and a 29-12 freshman won it.

Originally Posted by Schlottke

Why when AV wins seven titles in a larger division its a lack of depth and when St. Paris does it, it's an amazing accomplishment

I think it has to do with the fact that SPG does it in Ohio which is rich with wrestling history and tradition. They are widely considered the 2nd best state in the country and some years the best. No knock on AV from here, they have a fantastic team. I think a lot of fans are a little disappointed to find out that they have such little opposition in their division, that's all. I personally wish all states were 1 division. All of this needing to put perspective on to teams accomplishments would be much less necessary. You dominate Minnesota and Minnesota is a good wrestling state means quite an accomplishment. You dominate Hawaii, you sort of need to rank that a little lower. By the same token, you dominate Ohio and WOW!

Out of curiosity, How many other schools in SPG's division are ranked top 40?

I have no idea. I believe the new rankings should be coming out today if I'm not mistaken.

None are ranked besides SPG. But I don't think that's the way to look at it. How about nationally ranked wrestlers (by Intermat or AWN) in the brackets?

5 weight classes in Ohio's division II had no ranked wrestlers. 112, 215, 285, 135, and 171. For SPG Issac Jordan won 135 and Huston Evans won 171.

Two of SPG's championships came where they WERE the ranked wrestler. Ryan Taylor at 103 and Max Thomusseit at 189.

The final two SGP championships came where the the Graham wrestler had to beat a nationally ranked opponent. Bo Jordan over Nate Skonieczny in the 130 semifinal and Felipe Martinez over Tucker Armstrong in the 140 final.

SPG's two finals losses came against ranked wrestlers. Nick Brascetta lost to Ty Mitch at 119 and Kyle Ryan lost to Brad Wukie at 160.

The final 3 weight classes were won by nationally ranked wrestlers. Johnni DiJulius at 125, Ian Miller at 145 (ranked at 140), and Harrison Hightower at 152. BTW, at 145, except for an illegal slam, Grahams Matt Stephens would have been facing Miller in the final in what I would call a toss up bout.

I don't know if a similar analysis of AV's brackets would be useful, but it might provide an interesting comparison.

In any event 7 of 14 champs is nothing I have ever heard of. That's what I would call dominate regardless.

I think SPG did it last year. The only one I can think of that was ranked and AV lost to was Dylan Ness @ 145. The other two weren't ranked I don't think.

130 had #10 Ben Morgan who got thumped 12-3 by the kid the AV 130 pounder beat in the finals.

I'll do a little digging later if I get bored and see how many of them actually had a decent opponent in the finals.