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    That 'thread' is what is known in these parts of the country as a 'Bearscare" and it is worn for good luck. it is not supposed to be taken off....it just falls off on its own from old age. When I tested for my first black belt many years ago, I was wearing one that one of my daughters had made for me and I was not happy that I had to take it off. ONe of the testers was a long haired, bearded dude that looked like a tall version of rick Sanders and he knew what it was and he appologised for my having to remove it. The next one went on my ankle..........
    The Art of living is more like wrestling than dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Bunch of crap. I remember when I wrestled in the finals of New York freestyle states, my opponent was an immigrant from Georgia and he demolished everyone in the weight class. He also won Northeast regionals just a month before that. Before our match in the finals I saw him praying for like 10 minutes. I told my coach about it and we both laughed. I was losing 4:3 at the end of the match when I launched him with my favorite throw at the time with only 2 seconds left. I won 6:4 and never saw the guy in any wrestling tournament ever again!

    This I think is the deffinition of, "Getting Caught".

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    i was once at an olympic training centre in zakopane, poland. We were checking our weight in one of the back rooms, and there was this old gypsy lady just sitting there. She was talking to us in polish (noone could understand her) and she tried to grab some of us. It was really weird and freaky. I always wondered what the hell she was doing there at the olympic training centre. She looked like one of those gypsies that you would go for palm reading or what not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akzent View Post
    Don't attach Islam to an amulet which has nothing to do with it. I am talking about the thread, not the color.
    When I said that I didn't know its exactly function in Iran, I meant its magic function - to avert evil or to attract good fortune (sometimes these 2 functions are interconnected).
    Ossetians use the red thread to turn away evil.


    This isn't an amulet.
    Im wonderiing the same thing. Maybe Yazdani, or Iranews can offer some insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akzent View Post
    Don't attach Islam to an amulet which has nothing to do with it. I am talking about the thread, not the color.
    When I said that I didn't know its exactly function in Iran, I meant its magic function - to avert evil or to attract good fortune (sometimes these 2 functions are interconnected).
    Ossetians use the red thread to turn away evil.


    This isn't an amulet.
    Green is the color of Ali and his house (according to Shia Muslims). Ali's fighting prowess and strength are legendary so some people where it for strength and courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazdani View Post
    Green is the color of Ali and his house (according to Shia Muslims). Ali's fighting prowess and strength are legendary so some people where it for strength and courage.
    Yazdani is right. wrestlers bring these greens from places that Imams dhrines or tabernacles are. After prophet Mohammad, Shia muslims have 12 Imam who continue prophet way 1400 years ago. Only one Imam is buried in Iran(Imam Reza). Most of their shrines are in Iraq.
    athletes believe these greens help them to win and gave them power. actually it is mentally doping!!!

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    I wonder what kind of (or whose) nuts Ossetian magicians cut before wrestling worlds/euros to make their wrestlers champions.

    This evening Russia played vs. Spain in the semifinals of the soccer euros. Before the semis, an Ossetian magician worked magic against the Spaniards cutting 2 bull testicles. She chose to work with material from a bull because bulls were symbols of both Spain (meaning the bull fights) and masculinity, she said.

    Here you can watch her working:
    http://www.life.ru/video/3721

    Well it wasn't Spain who lost this evening.

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    May I use these images/pics for an article I am writing for as a freelance writer? You may respond back at asher_kade@yahoo.com.


    Quote Originally Posted by akzent View Post
    A kind of response to Big's ?Lets get one thing clear?

    Not only conditioning and training techniques can help a wrestler to improve his performance and to become a champ, but also countless kinds magics, rituals, taboos, fetishes and amulets which call on supernatural powers and spirits and which are used to promote good fortune, to protect the wrestler, to reduce tension, to give him extra strength or even to bewitch his opponent and to influence the outcome of the match.

    A wrestler of Niger applies magic when preparing his cloth before a match.


    When wrestling, a guy of Niger would wear not only the colorful thing (in the picture above or in his right hand in the picture below), but also several (up to 10) other belts (in his left hand in the picture) each having a particular function: one calling on the local spirits, another one protecting him from the spirits of the locality where his opponent comes from, another one against injuries etc. The magic things are kept in the small pockets which can be seen on the belts.



    [In 2005, I visited an exhibition about traditional wrestling styles in the Olympic Museum in Lausanne. Various items, photos and videotapes in the sections presenting wrestling styles of Africa and of the Amazonian area pointed out the use of magic in wrestling: e.g. purifying and preparatory rituals as well as application of magic before or during wrestling contests of Diola and Wolof in Senegal. What was interesting: A written note to an item, a lion cloth of a wrestler from Niger, explained that before being sent to the museum, the cloth had been a subject of special rituals aimed to remove the magic powers from it.]


    There are many examples (well most of them are not wrestling-specific) of how rituals, magic and taboo observance appear in wrestling also in our so-called technologically advanced societies. Before a competition, ordinary objects and act get ritualized: food/eating, hair cut and shaving (to shave or not, how and when?), shoes (the order in which they are put and the very act of tyeing the laces) etc... Good luck fetishes belong to the standard equipment.

    Often these objects and activities remain out of public view. I picked some pictures of internationally successful wrestlers who wear a thread around one of their wrists during the matches.

    Artur Taimazov with a red thread around his left wrist (2001 worlds)


    I discussed this with Ossetian wrestlers and fans. They said: The red thread has a protective function. Many other wrestler wear it but it remains invisible for the audience because unlike Taimazov, they have it around their ankle (covered by the sock) or they put it (fasten it in some way) inside the singlet.


    Iranian wrestlers wear green threads. I don't know the exactly function.

    2002 world champ Mehdi Hajizadeh


    2007 silver medalist Ebrahimi


    In red singlet the 2002 & 2004 university world champ Saefi; in blue singlet the 2003 jr. world champ. Notice, both have the green thing around their left wrists.



    Obviously, the training system as described/suggested by Big isn't enough to give wrestlers the sense of control and confidence.

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