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    thats a good observation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Yeah, that is also why the Russians have few problems moving up and doing well right away. Gatsalov, Muradov, A. Saitiev, Murtazaliev and Batirov all moved up a weight or two with immediate success whereas Americans have more trouble. Williams, Lawal and Abas have been having a tough time at a higher weight.
    Those guys are just that damn good They all look undersized at their respective weight classes, but it doesn't seem to matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Yeah, that is also why the Russians have few problems moving up and doing well right away. Gatsalov, Muradov, A. Saitiev, Murtazaliev and Batirov all moved up a weight or two with immediate success whereas Americans have more trouble. Williams, Lawal and Abas have been having a tough time at a higher weight.
    I would disagree with your examples of US wrestlers having a tough time moving up. Abas beat Quintana immediately after moving up, his injuries have caught up with him the last few years. Williams has done about the same at the higher weight, made US team (I forgot his results at worlds), recent results may be his age catching up with him. Lawal had some good matches at 96Kg, but cannot beat Cormier.
    I also thought Cormier might be better focusing on bulking up and going Heavy.

    Remember these guys were not dominating the World at their lower weight classes

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    Abas couldn't make US team at 132. Lawal lost to Hahn. Williams was abused by Ketoev and Yazdani like never before.

    Gatsalov, Muradov, A. Saitiev and Murtazaliev actually became better by moving up.

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    as a european i see two things happening here.

    on one side a proud russian talking about russian wrestling and on the other side a bunch of americans who have lost confidence in their wrestling system and confidence in their schooling methods, because they happen to lose a lot in wrestling cause of russians.
    all of a sudden they wanna know how come these people (these russians) are so good.

    simply said: the grass looks greener at the neighbours yard ( or something).

    A murtazaliev or a saitiev is brought up with the mind set to be a great wrestler once, knoc himself above the position he is now. their is a whole tradition behind it.
    They do nothing besides wrestling, wheras you americans arent heroes by doing wrestling or wont get a political position after you get the olympics, no you end up doing a gatoraid commercial.

    I know many guys from kavkaz area, some of them before coming to west europe said: when i was small i couldnt imagine people not wrestling, everybody wrestled. if you dont wrestle you re mentally ill.

    A friend of mine who recides in Belgium right now trained in krasnayarsk (pls dont mind the spelling) anyways he wrestled at the club where saitiev also wrestled.
    I asked him, what do you think about saitiev losing from murtazaliev. He said: perfect really perfect, this saitiev assh*le doesnt even train 2 times a day in wrestlingcamps, because he knows to many people.

    i asked him: what does that have to do with it.

    he told me: because of wrestling he has gotten a certain position and is always busy meeting people for a little politics or a little business, but he doesnt train consistent.

    now saitiev is remarkable, but the rest of the chechen, ossetian and dagestani wrestlers are you wrestling hard to get a better position.

    why would murtazaliev do a shitty law study besides his wrestling?


    americans, dont forget there is a huge tradition over there, you are somebody if you re a good wrestlers, itr worthy trying to get the top, and if you didnt get the top you re still a men because you wrestled which is good.

    how come you guys have such good basketball players?

    some dude in a ghetto in the us thinks: i can be also a kobe bryant?
    i can get a scholarship and study and play ball? its worth trying, i can be famous!!!

    i can be a somebody, consequence--> america delivers the sickest and best basketball players, (apart from the national team etc.)

    put it in perspective people.




    and big the things you said about weighttraining aint trough bro,
    ill post the national russian wrestling team weight training scheme.

    its a 5 cycle workout and really sick!!

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    Russian wrestlers are not strong in the weight room. Every wrestler I have seen come from Soviet Union and start lifting they can't do much weight. They have awesome muscular endurance though. They will do lots of pull ups, push ups, dips. They might use some weights for reps of 15-20 but they will almost never do 6 reps on the bench press and stuff. The only time they might do heavy weight lifting is in exceptional cases if they need to gain a lot of weight and stuff.

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    And I don't care about pride of Russian wrestling in this instance. I merely describe my experiences in Russia and in America.

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    okay mr big, sorry if you dont care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Abas couldn't make US team at 132. Lawal lost to Hahn. Williams was abused by Ketoev and Yazdani like never before.

    Gatsalov, Muradov, A. Saitiev and Murtazaliev actually became better by moving up.

    Big,

    I read your posts, on all threads. You are completely right. I am US wrestler and have tried to use what I know about RUSSIAN training for myself. The US has it completely backwards.

    I gave up weights and got much stronger!!!!

    Pull ups, chin ups, bar dips, rope climbs, much much better. And core work. In the US there is to much "BALL Sports" influence for strength training. Ball sports are rudimentary compared to wrestling.

    I skipped college wrestling to just to FREE. College programs are meat grinders. They get HURT or burned out. They put these poor kids on weight programs and running.

    Running and weights are actually bad for your body and very ineffecient way to train with a huge price to pay. I study SATIEV and Fadzaev inside out backwards and forwards and many folk high school coaches do not even know who they are!

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