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    awesome info Big... I too think we practice a little too hard sometimes. However, I think folkstyle is a bit of a different animal than fs/gr. I think you have to be in better shape. I'm hoping that I one day get the chance to coach a college squad, because I would really like to put the Russian wrestling examples to practice here in America. I think the kids would like it more, they would be more refreshed, and I think their technique would be better as well.

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    We should be doing this at the youth levels. However, the mentality is now that we have to go to all these "World" or "National" events that we lose focus on what's most important.

    One thing we do at my school is work pretty hard in practice, but then take it back a notch before match day. Sometimes play soccer or dodge ball just to change things up. Another thing is we all run three miles before practice. Then we had a 2 week break from competition before our district tournament. Our kids not only had much more endurance than the other teams who focused more on competition and cutting weight, but they were fresh. We took way more kids to state this year than last and had more placers than we've had in 11 yrs.

    For the spring, we attended four tournaments and that's it. Since then, we just drill on the same moves over and over again, for the past month. All from our feet. Then only do one live match a practice. I can see a huge improvement in our kids' technique as the muscle memory is starting to kick in now.

    This is what we should be striving for more, IMO. We also focus too much on the next big fancy move, when the basics are what wins matches.
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    Does anyone else think that a huge margin of our success is limited by our position on the globe? in Europe, countries are just a drive away from one another and each country has a couple studs per weight, then just south of the border is the lovely Iranian wrestling team

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    so bascially you re saying
    john smith, kevin jackson, dave and the other schultz were supertalents??

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    I think the main difference is that Russians concentrate on wrestling as a form of art and a wrestler is an artist whereas in America a wrestler is simply a tough dude and wrestling is a tough sport.

    Awkward and ugly looking wrestling is frowned upon in Russia. The throws and the moves have to look good when you drill them. You have to be a master that marvels the public rather than simply a winning machine. If you watch Russians wrestle, they are very graceful in the movements and not just wrestling to score.

    To achieve this you have to drill moves over and over and then try them live. When you get that obsessed with mastering technique you become addicted to it and it seems easy rather than difficult. You become so efficient that you don't need to be super-strong to take down even the strongest wrestler ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pointcrossankle View Post
    Does anyone else think that a huge margin of our success is limited by our position on the globe? in Europe, countries are just a drive away from one another and each country has a couple studs per weight, then just south of the border is the lovely Iranian wrestling team
    Cuba does pretty well, perhaps they travel more for training becasue the do not have the same amount of internal competition being a smaller country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I think the main difference is that Russians concentrate on wrestling as a form of art and a wrestler is an artist whereas in America a wrestler is simply a tough dude and wrestling is a tough sport.

    Awkward and ugly looking wrestling is frowned upon in Russia. The throws and the moves have to look good when you drill them. You have to be a master that marvels the public rather than simply a winning machine. If you watch Russians wrestle, they are very graceful in the movements and not just wrestling to score.

    To achieve this you have to drill moves over and over and then try them live. When you get that obsessed with mastering technique you become addicted to it and it seems easy rather than difficult. You become so efficient that you don't need to be super-strong to take down even the strongest wrestler ever.
    I think you're dead-on on this one. Best example I can think of is a match I saw between Farniev from Russia and a much bigger American at 74 (might have been Becker? not sure) . A team mate who wrestled the American said he hadn't wrestled someone that strong in years, but in the finals, the much smaller Farniev just put on a show. Hip toss, lateral toss, fireman's toss, tech fall. He was just having fun.

    Wasn't a great tournament for team USA... Mo Lawal got pinned by a 5 pt double leg (also by some Russan at 96 kg) and Lawrence lost to Evan MacDonald in an epic match.

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    Yeah, that is also why the Russians have few problems moving up and doing well right away. Gatsalov, Muradov, A. Saitiev, Murtazaliev and Batirov all moved up a weight or two with immediate success whereas Americans have more trouble. Williams, Lawal and Abas have been having a tough time at a higher weight.

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