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Discuss Mocco a victim of weight loss? at the Freestyle & Greco-Roman Wrestling within the Wrestling Talk Forums; Originally Posted by Big Karelin used to weigh over 300. He wasn't chest bumping. Oh ...
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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Karelin used to weigh over 300. He wasn't chest bumping.
    Oh yeah, good old Karelin. As we all know, ALexander Karelin is the rule when it comes to 300 lb. HWT's, not the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Oh yeah, good old Karelin. As we all know, ALexander Karelin is the rule when it comes to 300 lb. HWT's, not the exception.
    What about this guy? At 2 meters 14 centimeters do you really think he could cut much weight off of his 300 pounds?



    Sandurski, Adam (POL)
    Date of birth: 1953-02-08
    Height: 214 cm
    Weight: 135 kg
    FILA-ID: 10174



    Date Competition Style Age Group Weight Class Country Rank
    1986-04-14 European Championship Freestyle Seniors 130.0 POL 3.
    1985-10-10 World Championship Freestyle Seniors 130.0 POL 4.
    1984-04-26 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 2.
    1983-09-26 World Championship Freestyle Seniors + 100.0 POL 2.
    1983-04-17 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 6.
    1982-08-12 World Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 2.
    1982-01-01 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 3.
    1981-09-11 World Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 3.
    1981-04-23 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 3.
    1980-07-27 Olympic Games Freestyle Seniors + 110.0 POL 3.
    1980-04-24 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 3.
    1979-04-19 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 3.
    1978-08-24 World Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 4.
    1978-05-05 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 5.
    1977-05-29 European Championship Freestyle Seniors > 100.0 POL 6.

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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    Once again, you're using anecdotes to try and prove trends.
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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    Adam Sandursky was probably 310-320. He was greatly affected when the weight was given a limit of 286. But the guy was also 7 feet tall, and not your normal heavyweight and a poor example.

    I just don't like the fact that there is a cap. There weren't too many heavies over 300 to begin with, at least not too many successful ones. The trend is that people are supposedly getting bigger and putting more muscle on, so why put a cap on the biggest weight.

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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    There are a lot of heavyweights bigger than Mocco, why doesn't it effect them then?

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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    i remember reading, in the late 80's, that the guy from poland had to loose 100lbs when they put a limit on hwt in the late 80's?

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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    I think 275 to 285 is better. That and I don't think Karelin weighed 300lbs.

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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazdani View Post
    I think 275 to 285 is better. That and I don't think Karelin weighed 300lbs.
    THATS CORRECT, HE WAS 6'4" 286 ON HIS WEBSITE.

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    Default Re: Mocco a victim of weight loss?

    Big, I think the issue here is not whether Mocco would be better at 286, 300, or unlimited. After watching him for the last 5 years of college, and 2 years of Freestyle, He's rarely shown me anything in terms of offense.

    I'm a heavyweight too, and I have no offense either, so I'm not knocking him. But, to say that the weight loss is causing him to underperform is silly. because I wrestled this weight my whole life, I appreciate the positioning and skill set that heavies have.

    I don't feel that it is reasonable or rational, to come to this conclusion. Cutting weight sucks, and it does affect wrestlers. I cut to 197 three years in college and that blew. 264 is far, far too low for the heavyweight class. I think everyone can agree on that.

    I think a more productive post would have been, 264 is too light for heavyweights.

    I don't think that anyone who's seen him wrestle can say that Mocco's style has changed AT ALL. And I also don't think Karelin and some apparently great wrestler from Poland are examples that help what your original post was about.

    Like Vak Branigan said, Those are the exceptions. You know this

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