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    Since when is Chamsulvarayev wrestling for Azerbaijan? Wasn't he wrestling at Russian Nationals last year?

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    that's interesting. Russia is stacked at this weight. Might be a good move for the young Russian.

    Sucks that he drew Murtazaliev first round.

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    quick,

    Results from Russian Nationals last summer

    До 74 кг. 1. Денис Царгуш. 2. Али Айбазов. 3. Чамсулвара Чамсулвараев и Мурад Гаджимурадов.

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    Also, Ketoev says the guy that wrestled for Georgia and took 5th place in his weight is his brother. That guy has a Georgian name though. Akzent, do you know anything about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Also, Ketoev says the guy that wrestled for Georgia and took 5th place in his weight is his brother. That guy has a Georgian name though. Akzent, do you know anything about that?
    Has to be, look at this pic of the Georgian wrestler looks just like Ketoev.

    http://www.fila-wrestling.com/sofia0...=1&key=4&hit=1

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    I think they are related. G. Ketoev is born in Georgia. I shall ask them whether they are bros. They spend the most time together.

    Imported wrestlers in Azerbaijan - I shall write about this any day now.
    Now - a few words. The Russian federation (controlled by Ossetians) alowes export of non-Ossenian wrestlers to other countires only in weight classes, in which in the Russian team there is no Ossetian. I shall explain the reasons later. That is why alowed Chamsulvaraev to wrestle for AZE (no Ossetian wrestler in that class) and also the HWT guy (I forgot his name) in the AZE team. He is Dagestani (the Ossetinas don't have a HWT wrestler in the RUssian team). But they stopped Navruz Temvrezov (84) to wrestle for AZE because he is non-Ossetian and they cannot control him if it happens that he would wrestle Ketoev. Temrezov came to Sofia. On Friday the Russians protested and FILA doesn't alow him to participate.

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    Yes, Leri Ketushvili and Georgi Ketoev are brothers. A picture of Leri in the match vs. Danko of Ukraine. Leri lost it. In the finals, Georgi beat Danko.


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    Quoting myself:
    Quote Originally Posted by akzent View Post
    Imported wrestlers in Azerbaijan - I shall write about this any day now.
    Now - a few words. The Russian federation (controlled by Ossetians) alowes export of non-Ossenian wrestlers to other countires only in weight classes, in which in the Russian team there is no Ossetian. I shall explain the reasons later. That is why alowed Chamsulvaraev to wrestle for AZE (no Ossetian wrestler in that class) and also the HWT guy (I forgot his name) in the AZE team. He is Dagestani (the Ossetinas don't have a HWT wrestler in the RUssian team). But they stopped Navruz Temvrezov (84) to wrestle for AZE because he is non-Ossetian and they cannot control him if it happens that he would wrestle Ketoev. Temrezov came to Sofia. On Friday the Russians protested and FILA doesn't alow him to participate.
    I promised to write some words about the Russian wrestling export. Almost everyone of the wrestlers who are #2-#5 ranked in Russia and who don't see any chances to place first in oder to participate at continental and world championships, try to do this in any other post-Soviet country or elsewhere (France, Slovakia, Macedonia....). This is a well known fact. Interestingly the Russian federation has a selective method when deciding to allow or not allow anybody to represent another country.

    The essential principle is: In weight classes in which Russia is represented by Ossetian wrestlers, other Ossetian wrestlers are allowed to join other national teams. The Ossetian controlled staff of the Russian freestyle team does this because they want to have Ossetian dominations at championships in general and domination of the Ossetian members of the Russian team in particular. There is an unwritten Ossetian rule: An Ossetian wrestler representing another nation would never try to beat an Ossetian wrestler of the Russian team. When two Ossetian wrestlers have to face each other at European championships or worlds/Olympics the winner always will be the Ossetian of Russia. In such cases the matches are staged and they follow one and the same scenario: At the beginning (or in the first period) the Ossetian of the non-Russian team has the lead, but at the end, the Ossetian of the Russian team beats him. The best example are the final matches Taimazov (UZB) vs. Musulbes (RUS), especially that one at the 2001 worlds. Taimazov were allowed to join the UZB team only under the condition that he would never even think about this to beat Musulbes. When they wrestled each other, Taimazov (who has always been the better wrestler) had the lead but eventually let Musulbes win. The intra-Ossetian negotiations of that kind assure the success of the Ossetians in both the Russian team (in best case he would place 1st) and in the teams of other countries (they will place 2nd or 3rd...). There is only one ?exception? ? the Batirov-Farniev final last week.

    In weight classes, in which Russia is represented by non-Ossetians (Dagestani, Chechens....) the freestyle chiefs don't care much about the Russian export. Everybody from Russia can join the teams of other countries. The Russian federation didn't and will never protest the participation of the imported wrestlers. This was the case of Chamsulvaraev last week.

    In a weight class, in which Russia is represented by an Ossetian and there is a good non-Ossetian wrestler who wants to represent another country, he is never allowed to join the particular national team. The Russian federation always protests. That was the case of the Dagestani Kurbanov (threat for Gatsalov) last year, the case of Patrikeev in greco (threat for Baroev), the case of the Karachay Nauruz Temrezov this last euro's (threat for Ketoev). Kurbanov and Temrezov are not Ossetians; so their possible matches vs. Ossetians of Russia cannot be negotiable or predictable. A possible win of any of the unpredictable non-Ossetians would weaken the position of the Ossetians in the wrestling world. That is the reason why the Russians (the Ossetians) did their best to prevent the participation of Kurbanov at the worlds and of Temrezov at the Euro's.

    The so-called ?exception? in the Batirov-Farniev final match: Batirov, the the Ossetian wrestler of the Belarus team beat the Ossetian wrestler of the Russian team. But it wasn't Batirov who broke the unwritten Ossetian rule. It were the referees who did it. The referees' call (in the clinch in the overtime of the 2nd period) and the match result were unexpected for both Batirov and Farniev. Farniev and his Ossetian coaches went mad. Batirov didn't show that he was happy winning the match and becoming the champ. Both wrestlers looked confused.

    If you compare the referees' call in that match with the referees' calls (better to say: non-calls) in many other matches in which there was a ?clinch?, you can understand what exactly happened. In all other freestyle matches, the referees showed tolerance when any (or both) of the wrestlers didn't take the correct position for the hold. (The same tolerance could be observed also in greco when wrestlers didn't take the correct position for the reverse lift.) According to the rules, only one unofficial warning can be given to the wrestler who isn't in a correct position. The second warning must be official and the opponent gets points. But in many matches the referees made 2 or even 3 unofficial warnings giving the wrestlers the opportunity really to score, not to get points because of the warning of their opponents. Only in the Batirov-Farniev final, there there was not a 2nd unofficial warning. Only in this case, the referees kept strictly the rules. The second warning to Farniev was official. So Batirov won the match.

    The match followed the usual scenario: Batirov won the first period. But in the 2nd (and the 3rd) period which should have been won by Farniev..... The Ossetian ?scenarists? of the match hadn't calculated the referee factor in the play.

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    Looks like his name was "Georgian-ized." The root of the last name (Ket = Keto-ev, Keti-shvili) is the same. Leri is an Ossetian first name.

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