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    Default Re: Freestyle - get a point and stall your azzoff

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    One of the many things i like about the new rules is the lack of the stalling/passisivity calls...referees played to big part in matches
    I also like the pushout rule ans especially the bestof three. Thisgoes along way to prevent stalling

    I hate the clinch and the tiebreaker rule. Last point scored should not win the period. And a tiebreaker clinch is really only needed if there is a tie after the third period. If the score is tied after two minutes let it count as a tie period.
    That is an interesting take on the best of 3 rule. I think it creates more stalling than it prevents. I think there would be a bigger emphasis on turning opponents if the score accumulated.

    I am on the fence about the pushout. If they changed it to only being a point if you had the opponent's leg in the air or had both hands locked around the body then I would like it more. At least that way a takedown attempt is being made and it isn' t a bullfight or shoving match.

    I don't like last point winning either. What would happen if first point won the tie break? Wouldn't that cause the other wrestler to be more aggressive quicker and lead to more action if he knew a simple takedown didn't win it? Wouldn't he try harder for turns or a a second takedown if he knew he needed it? I don't know if it would or not, just asking.

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    Default Re: Freestyle - get a point and stall your azzoff

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    That is an interesting take on the best of 3 rule. I think it creates more stalling than it prevents. I think there would be a bigger emphasis on turning opponents if the score accumulated.

    I am on the fence about the pushout. If they changed it to only being a point if you had the opponent's leg in the air or had both hands locked around the body then I would like it more. At least that way a takedown attempt is being made and it isn' t a bullfight or shoving match.

    I don't like last point winning either. What would happen if first point won the tie break? Wouldn't that cause the other wrestler to be more aggressive quicker and lead to more action if he knew a simple takedown didn't win it? Wouldn't he try harder for turns or a a second takedown if he knew he needed it? I don't know if it would or not, just asking.
    Many NCAA finals matches, if a td is scored in the first, essentially the match is over. They need an escape and will try to their opponent down, but often, the scoring is done with just one td.
    I would to see freestyle get a little more time to try for a turn, but i dont see how the discourage it because going up by six ends the period... i saw happen a bunch of times

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    Canada had some of the first tournaments under the "new" rules. First point scored was initially tired, but the first guy to score often did nothing the rest of the period. Didn't create action. I can live with last point as a tiebreaker; but why do we need a bunch of different ones? (cautions, most 3 pointers, most 2 pointers, etc). Try explaining that one to casual specator. I think FILA, in their eagerness to create the perfect set of rules, sometimes forgets to just keep it simple.

    There used to be some really wierd out of bounds calls; I remember one match where Travis Cross did an inside trip on his opponent and they gave his opponent the point because Travis stepped between his legs and on the out of bounds line. One of our Greco finals was decided the same way- thrower stepped between opponent's legs and out before tossing him. Generally speaking, refs now award benefit of the doubt to the aggressor. I think the vast majority of pushouts now are scored either off an solid leg attack, or guys choosing to run out rather than giving up bigger points (ie Gogchelizdve vs Varner). I'll admit there is the odd wierd one (Goudrazi vs Burroughs at world cup, for example) but they are few and far between. the one that annoys me, personally, is guys walking their opponents out with a single leg. However, I'll take it over guys running out on purpose (folkstyle) or constant judgement calls on the edge (old rules freestyle).

    Greco definitely has more shoving, but without the pushout they might never score!

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    Default Re: Freestyle - get a point and stall your azzoff

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    That is an interesting take on the best of 3 rule. I think it creates more stalling than it prevents. I think there would be a bigger emphasis on turning opponents if the score accumulated.

    I am on the fence about the pushout. If they changed it to only being a point if you had the opponent's leg in the air or had both hands locked around the body then I would like it more. At least that way a takedown attempt is being made and it isn' t a bullfight or shoving match.

    I don't like last point winning either. What would happen if first point won the tie break? Wouldn't that cause the other wrestler to be more aggressive quicker and lead to more action if he knew a simple takedown didn't win it? Wouldn't he try harder for turns or a a second takedown if he knew he needed it? I don't know if it would or not, just asking.
    Pushout rule really keeps the action going. Watching good td attempts stopped by crawling out of bounds does not promote action or scoring. For NCAA wrestling I think a warning and then a penalty point makes sense.

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    On this page top right, interesting statistical analysis can be seen:
    Athletes' Questionnaire Project
    especially the graphics on page 32 in both documents GR and FS which show the trends after each rules change over the years.
    In the first 2-3 years after the introduction of new rules, the number of points scored increases; then it decreases.
    One of the possible interpretations is - in the initial period, wrestlers' action is based on personal skills, talent, even improvisation or whatever else, but not on routine. Few years after the change, coaches elaborate strategies (and particular tactics) of how to make use of the rules in order to win without much efforts/action.
    The solution: changing the rules every 4 years?

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