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    I dont believe he is overthinking it. If it were to be scored, why wouldnt you score it exactly like every other tournament? If Country A gets one medal, a gold, and Country B gets one gold and 6 silvers, are you really going to argue that they should considered tied in the team race? We get it, you are a fan of Iran. Your bias is overwhelming.

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    So if one country wins 2 golds, and then another country wins 1 gold, 4 silvers and 2 bronze, you're telling me the only country to win two golds is the "team champion"

    No, it doesn't work like that.

    I'm not overthinking it. And I'm sure the BBC commentators know so much about wrestling ... <sarcasm>

    I'm here in London. You show me a written documentation of "team scoring" being different at the games in an unofficial contest, then I'll concede the point, but you can't, so I'm going off of what FILA uses (it's even the exact same bracketing system as EVERY FILA TOURNAMENT). They just aren't making the points public.

    Russia won the team title "unofficially" -- they had more medals, more placers and more points.

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    Points are scored: 10-9-8-8-6-6-4-3-2-1

    Hasn't been any different in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyholt View Post
    I dont believe he is overthinking it. If it were to be scored, why wouldnt you score it exactly like every other tournament? If Country A gets one medal, a gold, and Country B gets one gold and 6 silvers, are you really going to argue that they should considered tied in the team race? We get it, you are a fan of Iran. Your bias is overwhelming.
    Ha I am biased to a degree, but I am only following what has been said in the olympics. On the BBC website they rank teams by gold medals.

    BBC Sport - London 2012 Olympics - Wrestling

    The BBC commentators were talking about how the final of 96kg was for the team title.

    There is only one weight class and silver is still losing. You're making this argument to the wrong guy, I don't really get the point of the silver or bronze medals.

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    So I looked up the 2007 team's performance and while it was a solid team and awesome to win a team title, I am reassessing my evaluation that we have dropped off a cliff.

    Lindsey Durlacher 121 5th
    Joe Betterman 132 dnp
    Justin Lester 145.5 3rd
    T.C. Dantzler 163 dnp
    Brad Vering 185 2nd
    Justin Ruiz 211.5 dnp
    Dremiel Byers 264.5 3rd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dart Shark View Post
    So if one country wins 2 golds, and then another country wins 1 gold, 4 silvers and 2 bronze, you're telling me the only country to win two golds is the "team champion"

    No, it doesn't work like that.

    I'm not overthinking it. And I'm sure the BBC commentators know so much about wrestling ... <sarcasm>

    I'm here in London. You show me a written documentation of "team scoring" being different at the games in an unofficial contest, then I'll concede the point, but you can't, so I'm going off of what FILA uses (it's even the exact same bracketing system as EVERY FILA TOURNAMENT). They just aren't making the points public.

    Russia won the team title "unofficially" -- they had more medals, more placers and more points.

    So with your logic a country with 7 of low but scoring positions (greater than 10) is greater than a country with a single gold?

    This is not the world championships. The olympics have always been contested on number of gold medal finishes. I have shown a link with Iran at the top of the table. You are the only person who thinks the Russians won, even Russians don't think this. ha

    I already shown it. I think you're just a bit odd.

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    Default Re: 2012 London Olympic Games: 66/96 kg discussion

    That's not "standings" it's just a list of medals. It's on the same FILA database where the Worlds are. It's not my logic, it's assigning points to a position. the "team" who has 7 fifth places did have a better performance than one country with a bronze.

    There is no team title to even discuss, so you're whining about winning something that isn't even winnable is odd.

    Show me where the Olympics "have always" been on gold finishes. 2 golds is not better than 1 gold, 2 silvers and 4 bronze.

    They don't score positions below 10th place. So if Albania had one gold, but Iran had no golds and two silvers, you'd believe Albania finished higher than Iran?

    We're arguing about something that doesn't even officially exist. I don't think you speak for the russians. You speak with blind bias towards your country, which is fine, but to pick different scoring rules arbitrarily because it's the Olympics is not only odd, it's illogical.

    Picking things that only help your argument isn't seeing the big picture.

    I've completely owned you in this argument.

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    I haven't seen anyone from Russia on this board (or anywhere else) say anything.

    Congratulate the Iranians on three Greco golds. That's impressive. Now you're just being greedy. (SMILE!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoWrestler View Post
    I think America's weakness is that they have weak groundwork. The other side of the coin is that Iran has very strong groundwork (even in freestyle) and this is the reason for the recent greco success. If America wants to improve they need to improve in the par terre position, which would probably mean changing the rules of folk style. .
    Agreed. Not to sound like a dick but I think most of the Americans just aren't good/talented enought to consistently suceed at this level. However, they really struggled this tournament even given modest expectations. Coleman gave up easy points from standing. I didn't see Provisor and Mango but I think they got lit up. Betts lost to a guy (admittedly a very tough one) he has beaten before. Lester wrestled a decent quarterfinal but gave up a late throw; he flat out didn't show up in the repechage, spent most of the match on his back. As for Byers; I don't really expect him to beat Kayallp at this point in his career but I'd like to have seem a legitimate offensive attempt, espectially on top.

    So summarize: The American team definitely needs to improve in greco, but they also underachieved given their capabilites at present IMO.

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