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    To JudoWrestler:
    Do you recognize Israel as a nation?

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    You dont think FILA would issue repercussions if Russia came out and publicly stated "we dont wrestle black people in competition?" Same exact thing. Wrestling doesnt need that bullshit in the sport. Iran needs to deal with it's political issues in a political forum, not in sport where their politics damage events and make the sport look bad. Your tampering with the bracket theory is completely garbage. Have you ever attended or been in a championship bracket draw? Its done by the competitors in front of everyone; it is impossible to tamper with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyholt View Post
    You dont think FILA would issue repercussions if Russia came out and publicly stated "we dont wrestle black people in competition?" Same exact thing. Wrestling doesnt need that bullshit in the sport. Iran needs to deal with it's political issues in a political forum, not in sport where their politics damage events and make the sport look bad. Your tampering with the bracket theory is completely garbage. Have you ever attended or been in a championship bracket draw? Its done by the competitors in front of everyone; it is impossible to tamper with.
    What if Russia said behind closed doors they don't wrestle Iranians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jba205 View Post
    To JudoWrestler:
    Do you recognize Israel as a nation?
    Not in the traditional sense. Large areas that the state of Israel controls it has given a pseudo territory status (and psuedo citizenship) in an attempt to ghettoise and restrict the human rights of an ethnic group they dislike. It is not a traditional country and has some very odd and barbaric characteristics. It is time to state of Israel was forced to include all the areas it controls in the democratic process and grant full human rights to all peoples in the lands in controls.

    In other words I am saying the West bank and the Gaza strip are essentially a part of Israel and they need to grant these people, the rights and democratic opportunities they deserve. The notion of a two state solution is just designed to be a never ending failure, like a dog chasing its tale.

    I think things will change very soon anyway. 50% of the children in Israeli primary schools are of Arab or Hasidic families.

    This is something called common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoWrestler View Post
    Not in the traditional sense. Large areas that the state of Israel controls it has given a pseudo territory status (and psuedo citizenship) in an attempt to ghettoise and restrict the human rights of an ethnic group they dislike. It is not a traditional country and has some very odd and barbaric characteristics. It is time to state of Israel was forced to include all the areas it controls in the democratic process and grant full human rights to all peoples in the lands in controls.

    In other words I am saying the West bank and the Gaza strip are essentially a part of Israel and they need to grant these people, the rights and democratic opportunities they deserve. The notion of a two state solution is just designed to be a never ending failure, like a dog chasing its tale.

    I think things will change very soon anyway. 50% of the children in Israeli primary schools are of Arab or Hasidic families.

    This is something called common sense.
    Just thinking out loud and making sure there isn't any hypocrisy here, so to clarify....are you a supporter of Iran as a nation or just it's wrestlers (who may or may not support their government).

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    In 2008 the reigning Iranian Judo world champ forfieted his first round match when he drew an Israeli. I would assume with a handle like Judowrestler you would follow Judo a little bit, so do you know if the International Judo Federation has taken up a similar policy.
    Does anyone know if other countries that don't recognize Israel follow the same policy?
    Does the Iranian policy just apply to sports where there is head to head competition?
    Would an Iranian sprinter run a race with an Israeli in it?
    What about weightlifting (I know the Iranian superheavy weightlifter won Olympic Gold)?
    What about if the wrestler was an Israeli Arab (I know there was an Arab playing on the Israeli national soccer team a few years back)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoWrestler View Post
    Not in the traditional sense. Large areas that the state of Israel controls it has given a pseudo territory status (and psuedo citizenship) in an attempt to ghettoise and restrict the human rights of an ethnic group they dislike. It is not a traditional country and has some very odd and barbaric characteristics. It is time to state of Israel was forced to include all the areas it controls in the democratic process and grant full human rights to all peoples in the lands in controls.

    In other words I am saying the West bank and the Gaza strip are essentially a part of Israel and they need to grant these people, the rights and democratic opportunities they deserve. The notion of a two state solution is just designed to be a never ending failure, like a dog chasing its tale.

    I think things will change very soon anyway. 50% of the children in Israeli primary schools are of Arab or Hasidic families.

    This is something called common sense.


    Don't start. This thread has become a political debate and since i'm the only israeli in this forum i feel that i have to defend my country, but THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT FORUM to do it.

    You want the argue about conspiracy in Fila? that's fine. But don't be a drama queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    In 2008 the reigning Iranian Judo world champ forfieted his first round match when he drew an Israeli. I would assume with a handle like Judowrestler you would follow Judo a little bit, so do you know if the International Judo Federation has taken up a similar policy.
    that was in 2004, Arash Miresmaeili, he was the flag bearer too and he got his draw one night before the opening ceremony, after crying the whole night he still carried the flag but didn't make weight on purpose ! (and that accident completely ruined his career) so he officially disqualified for not making weight. It happened many times in World Judo Champs, Judo World Cups and other tournaments but since Iran is not a powerhouse in Judo, nobody really cares !

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Does anyone know if other countries that don't recognize Israel follow the same policy?
    I think yes, at least for Syria and Lebanon I'm almost sure. and in some countries it's up to athlete himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Does the Iranian policy just apply to sports where there is head to head competition?
    Would an Iranian sprinter run a race with an Israeli in it?
    What about weightlifting (I know the Iranian superheavy weightlifter won Olympic Gold)?
    somehow yes but it happened also in Swimming ! but in past few years I remember Iranian athletes competed against Israelis in Canoeing and Rowing. This is a rule for head to head competitions.

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    What about if the wrestler was an Israeli Arab (I know there was an Arab playing on the Israeli national soccer team a few years back)?
    it doesn't change anything

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    Jimbo, JudoWrestler, did you know that the soccer match Iran v Israel in 1968 was a turning point in Iranian sport history? Until then wrestling was sport #1 in Iran. The political significance that was ascribed to that match moved soccer to the top position. Soccer outranged wrestling in popularity.

    I'll attach a study by Chehabi (Iranian!), prof. for international relations at Boston Univ., on Takhti as wrestler, politician and people's hero/legend. On p. 57 he writes Takhti's death and the Iran-Israel match, both in 1968, were the point at which the big change occured.
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