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  1. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Funny how perceptions change... before this year's Yarygin people were a lot less enamoured with Tsargush's technique. In fact it seemed like his standard point-per-period was often scored by brute strength (driving someone out of bounds) or through clinches.

    Judo, how do you become more athletic? Maybe we are using the words differently but I always thought of athleticism as natural talent, whereas technique is learned.

    I think JB will have to put up with a lot of the same things as Kudukhov... grabbing his wrists, backing up, and generally trying to stall him out.
    I is not difficult with the correct training methods.

    My suggestions are:

    lots of plyometrics.
    olympic weight lifting.
    Drill technique explosively.
    Sprint for fitness instead of jogging.
    Gymnastics.

    Dont do:
    Powerlifting (although squats can help)
    short ranges of movement
    jogging ( it could be done with a programme to build athleticism, but it will not help you)


    You are born with technique but you can develop athleticism. When I say born with technique I mean only some people have a brain whereas everyone can become athletic. Look at the Chinese typically they are considered an un-athletic race yet they have some of the best olympic weightlifters in the world (in my mind olympic weight lifting is the most athletic activity you can do). So athleticism can be taught.

  2. #29

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    2012 is shaping up to be uSAs best team in a very long time.
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  3. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by whipover5 View Post
    so the way I am understanding what judo is posting is that, if you are strong quick and athletic you cannot also be technical? Makes no sense to me.
    I am saying when kids are learning wrestling some kids realise they can get away by being stronger and other kids realise they have to learn technique to try and compete with the bullys. The stronger kids keep using their strength advantage and the technical kids get more and more technical. When the technical kids grow into men and start weightlifting they can meet the same levels of athleticism and strength as those strong kids, but the men who were the strong kids have a lot harder task matching the technique and thinking of the technical wrestlers.
    Hence becoming technical has a steep learning curve, whereas being strong and athletic can be learned and relatively quickly.

    Case in point Gadizov.... skinny technician turned powerhouse in a year and a half was it?
    Last edited by JudoWrestler; 02-05-2012 at 11:51 PM.

  4. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by jba205 View Post
    I'm glad to see some good discussion on here finally.

    I agree with whoever said JB was def on the radar because of Ukraine. I was there and everyone was talking about him. At first the russians and ukrainians were unimpressed (maybe slightly offended as well), but by the final he was getting more cheers than anyone. If he is reading this I hope it doesn't go to his head.

    Are Tsargush and Goudrazi better technicians? Possibly, but that isn't what is up for debate. This isn't karate and you don't get world medals for just having good technique. JB is on a different level of athleticism that allows him to do things that no one else in that weight can do. He knows that and wrestles a style that is very difficult to stop.

    Regarding the large weight cutting, Goudrazi is a huge 74 and weighs more than JB. B. Saitiev also melted to get down to 74. What a trash wrestler he was.

    In the second round of the world final, it may have been Goudrazi's points, but who's to say that Burroughs wouldnt have won anyway? Also, who had a better angle, us watching youtube, or the several refs who all reviewed the film?

    I am excited to see how people adapt to wrestle him, but remember that Burroughs is also adapting the way he wrestles in anticipation of this.

    In reference to the comments about the particular styles of each country, take a look at the national teams of Russia, Iran and USA. All of the #1s on the Russian and USA teams have their own style and are very successful with them. I would say it is the Iranians who seemed the most homogeneous and less dynamic at the last world championships. Still seems to be working for them though.
    They may know about JB this does not mean they prepared for him.

    I think Tsargush and Goudarzi are better technicians, but you can get medals for having great technique when you can apply it successfully in a match. I think we learned that with Adam Saitiev and romero. Neither of these guys are weaklings.

    Weight cutting should allow the wrestler to meet the weight limit, not a strategy to be bigger and stronger than opponents. I was not aware that Saitiev did a huge cut but if he did I would assume it was due to his height and age rather than a strategy to beat his opponents using strength.

    Goudarzi may not have beat him, but he may have. I think operating inside the rules is best. I am not sure how accurate it is, but it often appears to me the refs favour opponents against Iran. Iran always seems to get screwed by the refs. Maybe this was a part of a strategy to get more American winners.

    Yes it will be good to see people adapt to him. I always root for the technician.

    I don't think all the Iranians wrestle the same. I think weight classes usually wrestle simialar to each other, but I don't think the wrestlers from one country wrestle the same throughout every weight class. I guess you could argue that the Iranians have good technique and particularly strong groundwork throughout every weight class.

  5. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoWrestler View Post
    Weight cutting should allow the wrestler to meet the weight limit, not a strategy to be bigger and stronger than opponents. I was not aware that Saitiev did a huge cut but if he did I would assume it was due to his height and age rather than a strategy to beat his opponents using strength.
    I agreed with what you said, but weight cutting is just another part of the strategy. If a wrestler feels that maximizing their size and strength for a weight is beneficial, then they should pursue it. You can only be so much bigger while still making a weight anyways and the tradeoff for that extra size is less energy during matches. JB isn't the only guy cutting significantly either, Gazyumov is one guy in my mind who looks a lot bigger than his opponents.

  6. #33

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    Burroughs is wrestling in the Schultz, so is Malikov. Not quite Tsargush/Saitiev but still a tough Russian opponent.

    Assuming both win, they should do a Burroughs/Kumar (66 kg former champ) exhibition. That would be something.

  7. #34

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    Why themat.tv blocked Burroughs's mathes for Russia? Maybe somebody help me to watch Jordan's mathes in the Shultz tourn ?

  8. #35

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    I didn't see all of his matches at Schultz, but did JB score at all from par terre? I think PT offense and defense could be the difference in London. I guarantee there will be a match that he will need a turn to win, or defend a turn to win.
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  9. #36

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    I his semis and finals he didn't score from par terre, though he did score exposure off a leg shot. It won't be the end of the world if he can't score on top- so long as he can defend on bottom, kind of like Cael Sanderson back in the day. In the Schultz finals Paulson had him down in a tripod after the leg clinch, trapped his arm- and Burroughs still came out on top. He just won the Cerra Pelado as well. That's quite the winning streak Burroughs has going for him.

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