grecowrestler13

Why would I even dream of being half as good as these guys? They are never as succesful as the all the Eastern countries. They may have some monumental wins here or there but nothing like the Russians where its always coming and coming and never stopping. How many triple or double Olympic champions are there for the U.S.? Name one. It's not my fault the U.S. has a bad system of international wrestling compared to the Eastern Bloc countries. The U.S. only dreams of being half as good as they do.

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grecowrestler13

I'm not trying bring this guy down or anything. I'm just stating the facts. I'm not trying to feel better about my failures. Stop sounding like you know me because you have no idea.

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akzent

I don't have any evidences. I know that from a person who had an insider's look at what was happening at the tourney.

Actually, nothing new or extraordinary happened there. Withdrawals announced as due to injures have always been part of a game of strategy among wrestlers in Russia and wrestlers imported from Russia.

Notice also that in the yesterday's Yarygin results (in the other thread), I wrote just “forfeit” without specifying the reason not only in the 120-kg final, but also in one of the 74-kg bronze medal matches. There you have another example of game of strategy. In that case, it is based on ethnic/regional loyalty.

In each of the 3rd place matches, there was an AZE wrestler – Guliev (Azeri) and Chamsulvaraev (an imported Dagestani). For the AZE coaches, the outcome of matches was more or less decisive for who they would take in the national team for the European championships. But they were deprived of that opportunity by Gaidarov (another imported Dagestani) who intentionally didn't show up vs. Chamsulvaraev.

Gaidarov is the by far the best 74-kg wrestler in Belarus. Which place he would take at a tourney cannot affect his position in the Belorussian national team, at least at the present moment not. With his withdrawal, the Dagestani Gaidarov simply helped the Dagestani Chamsulvaraev to get ranked better than his home rival Guliev. In other words: Gaidarov played the role of an injured wrestler in order to improve Chamsulvaraev's chances of being named to the AZE national team for the euros.

As for the HWT – you must first consider the problems the Russians have in this weight class. Bahtiar Akhmedov is in bad shape. Bilal Makhov and Kuramagomedov have been trying for many months (and obviously not successfully) to recover from injuries. Placing second but without actually being defeated puts Soslan Gagloev ahead of other contenders for the European team.

All these are internal problems and games. From an international perspective, they shouldn't be used to belittle Mocco's success.

pinartist

prety interesting stuff, makes a lot of sense

DBOZZZ

Your a joke kid! Tell your parents to start giving you some hugs because your a mess and really need to get a clue about life in general.

TLV

And you don't know the difference between 'facts' and 'opinion'...........'lucky' is an opinion........'couldn't wrestle' is an opinion.......and 'injured' in the context of your particular post is also your opinion.....

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grecowrestler13

Lol, is that the best you got? Is that your comeback? It's easy to tell when someone is losing an argument or battle and doesn't have anything left, so they decide to throw mindless and clueless attacks that mean nothing at thier opponents so they can fill good about thier loss.

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JensenS

Kind of like saying Mocco's tournament championship being discussed here was "lucky" that a guy he'd beaten before didn't show up to wrestle in the finals?

Schlottke

If the event was in November of '07 it was a little over a year ago. November '08 was 2 months ago.

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I don't see why you all are giving me and calling me loser, failure, a nobody, and an unknown and other crap. All because I argued that Mocco didn't even wrestle for first and he wasn't even tested. I try and make a simple statement trying not to anger others or irritate others but state a fact that many would agree on. So what he won first place, he wasn't even given a challenge for it. He wasn't tested to his true abilities for this prestigious prize.

Now I'm not disrespecting the guy or anything. I'm not saying he's a bad wrestler. He's a great wrestler. I respect this guy for the hard work he does and I see him for sure as a medal favorite in London. I'm just mad he didn't even wrestle for first. And it didn't have to even be against Soslan. It could have been against any other wrestler there in his weight class. And who knows, maybe that guy would have easily beaten Mocco or Mocco easliy beaten him. I don't care; I just don't want Mocco being handed a gold medal for one of the most toughest tournaments in the world without even earning it and just walk away with a smile on his face. You need to earn your awards and prizes with hard work and endless hours of training. You just don't get what you want by someone handing it to you whitout having even do anything. You have to work for what you want. And I'm not just saying this because he's American; I would say this toward a Russian or anyone else.

Say Karelin won his fourth gold at Sydney instead of Gardner winning it instead. But, say Rulon was injured prior to the match and couldn't compete and they just awarded the medal to Karelin. I would be mad. Mainly because Karelin wasn't even tested at all for it. I know this would have been Karelin's last match and Olympics, and I wanted to see if he would finally lose before retiring. But what if Rulon wasn't injured and he did beat him( which he actually did and would have done)? We wouldn't know. We would never know because Karelin wasn't tested and was never challenged.

You would have never known if you could have actually beaten some guy or lost to some guy in a regular old tournament because he forfeited a match for what so ever reason. But you decide it doesn't matter and end up not training as hard as you use to for when you would meet this guy because you already won against him. Then , when the big time comes around( say state or worlds or whatever) you actually meet up with him and you end up getting your ass kicked. I wasn't trying to start a feud or anything, but I was just saying what came to mind. My post shouldn't have started all this but you all don't care and make it into to something that it isn't because you don't take the time to pay attention.

He's a great wrestler. Olympic champion could for sure be in his future. I just don't want him or anyone else walking off with victories they didn't earn or don't deserve mainly because they weren't even given a challenge for it. Please hear me out and stop bashing me for no reason. I respect him and all the other U.S. wrestlers competing on the Senior level trying to make wins. Although most aren't that good, (You know this is pretty true based on the U.S. performance at past Olympics) I still respect them for giving there all to become the best. But if they train hard enough and know what they want and go for it, then they can become champions and better than the rest of the world.

I didn't want all this arguing and hating and crap. I didn't know it was going to get this far and bad. I didn't mean for my first post to start a war of words. And I don't know why It did. But I apologize for it. I'm pretty sure almost everyone got the wrong idea about my post. Tell me what's wrong so I can sort it out and tell you what I mean.

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