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  1. #19

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    Don't mean to get off topic, but is there a publication of the world rankings anywhere?
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  2. #20

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    I'd say Amini is the number 1 at 84, beating, abdusalamov, sokhiev, ktsoev and salas and winning takhti cup and winning the asian champs last few months pretty impressive, Looking at everyone else none of them have won matches like that this year. I think hosseinkhani deserves to be top 5 beating taghavi, garzon, metcalf and gogaev this year, only loses to taghavi last week and a stupid loss at asian champs he's still performed better than many others on the list.

  3. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Given that Cael is a former World Silver and Olympic Gold medalist, something tells me that he'll be able to handle the "wide gulf" between US tournaments (where he ONLY beat a former World Silver to make the team) and the guys he'll face in September.
    That same world silver medalist has been beaten pretty heavily by russian competition since that competition he also wrestles completely different to international wrestlers. Yes he was a olympic gold medalist but that was 7 years ago, since then he won the us nationals, that isn't warrant to get on the list given the us performance at worlds. I don't think burroughs should be on the list, the only americans that have performed well internationally this year are varner and metcalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbdaz View Post
    I don't think burroughs should be on the list
    I don't see how this is really relative to the discussion about Sanderson's placement in a relatively weak 84 kilo weight class, but I will say that I agree with you here.
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  5. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    I don't see how this is really relative to the discussion about Sanderson's placement in a relatively weak 84 kilo weight class, but I will say that I agree with you here.
    Burroughs was in the 74kg part of the list wasn't to do with your point. The 84kg internationally is very strong but only allowing 1 wrestler per country makes it weak, if it was done on a qualifying basis it'd stacked as hell, like in tennis imagine if they only allowed one guy per country to compete in tournament, if your from spain or switzerland your screwed.
    Sanderson, herbert, amini, mirzaei, lashgari, bazrighaleh, this new goudarzi, riahi, ktsoev, aldatov, tigiev, sokhiev, saritov, urishev, valiev, salas, abusalamov etc.
    It'd be ridiculously stacked, what a comp that would be.

  6. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbdaz View Post
    Burroughs was in the 74kg part of the list wasn't to do with your point. The 84kg internationally is very strong but only allowing 1 wrestler per country makes it weak, if it was done on a qualifying basis it'd stacked as hell, like in tennis imagine if they only allowed one guy per country to compete in tournament, if your from spain or switzerland your screwed.
    Sanderson, herbert, amini, mirzaei, lashgari, bazrighaleh, this new goudarzi, riahi, ktsoev, aldatov, tigiev, sokhiev, saritov, urishev, valiev, salas, abusalamov etc.
    It'd be ridiculously stacked, what a comp that would be.
    It would be deep, but there are no studs like Kudukhov, Tsargush, Gazyumov, Gatsalov, Makhov, Taymazov, Garzon, Kumar, etc. Maybe this weight is deep enough that Cael won't medal even if he does make expected improvements in the next few months after his first competition in 7 years, but I will be very surprised if he's not right there with just about everyone. Who matches up so well with Cael that they will definitely beat him? He's beaten several wrestlers better than Sokhiev and 84kg Aldatov which was when he was still a freestyle novice - he's rusty today but he also has a style a lot more attuned to freestyle (good defense, powerful, solid position, can score in bunches, good par terre for an American, etc)

    As for Burroughs, it's just not clear who to rank beyond the top 4-5 - almost all of the top guys from 2008 Olympics are gone and only a few young guys have really stood out. After Geduev finished 2nd at Russian Nationals against some very accomplished guys, I don't think it's crazy to rank him around 6-8 and Burroughs beat him. Maybe he's not ready to do well at Worlds yet if top guys have scouted him better, but it's also not crazy to rank him after the Geduev win in an unclear weight class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Is #4 Romero?
    His finals opponent in 2004 from Korea (Moon?) ended up with at least two Olympic medals. Did he have any other results?
    Yup. Moon was also a world silver medallist 2x I think to Saitiev. Very good wrestler, though he wasn't too impressive against Sanderson. Like JensenS said, it was a much tougher weight in 2000.

    Personally I'd be shocked if Ktsoev beats Sanderson. I think he's too slow-footed and reliant on throws- did you see how easily Ganev took him down at the worlds? Don't know much about Amini. I imagine Sokhiev tries to stall him out and win 1-0 as he always does.

    Anyone have alternate rankings for 74?

  8. #26

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    "different era" and "changed game" are good points.
    i like the way sanderson wrestles and i would like to see him winning but....
    i cant recall any returning olympic/world champ who has won olympics/worlds again. can you?
    retired and returning fadzaev (1996) and khadartsev (2000) lost already in the preliminaries and couldnt place among the top-10. musulbes (2008) had more success - 2nd at the euros and 3rd at the olympics.

  9. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwh27 View Post
    You really think that Sokhiev is bigger and more powerful than Sanderson?? You may dismiss the abilities of American wrestlers outright, but Varner is a pretty strong 96kg and he says that Cael feels much stronger than an 84kg wrestler.
    Well undoubtedly he is strong, however I don't think he has the speed and power to hit attacks and then drive people out with the sort of power Sokhiev has.

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