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    Quote Originally Posted by gbdaz View Post
    I said its very unlikely anyone other than sanderson and dlagnev, burroughs now that i think about it has an outside shot of medalling given hatos medalled last year and burroughs is better than him, marable came second to burroughs at the nationals in 3 periods so he could have wrestled at WTT. He beat Blanco at the pan ams, they might send fundora who i'd favour over burroughs, also marable wrestles different to burroughs blanco and burroughs are interesting as blanco is very good counter wrestler, really i don't see burroughs beating iran, russia, aze or cuba at worlds and there could be plenty of sleepers from georgia, kazakh, uzbek, ukraine, turkey and bulgaria who are always a threat, not to mention burroughs is green as grass in world level freestyle competition, i'd be crazy to think it won't effect him in nerves.

    As for varner, although i am really impressed with him and rate him, I can in no way see him beating gatsalov, muradov, tigiev, gazyumov, yazdani or gogshelidze, he would be overpowered by all, like ketoev did and ebrahimi did pretty comfortably.
    Good post. Although I would argue that those wrestlers didn't "overpower" Varner, it just appeared that way because of their superior technique. Bergman appeared to have physically mauled Varner last year which was largely because he knew how to take advantage of his one-dimensional style. Varner isn't the same wrestler as he was back then, the Beat the Streets match and his performance against Aliev demonstrate that he's made some enormous strides especially with that ankle pick developing. In my opinion, at this point Azerbaijan is a major favorite over him, Russia is a solid favorite and Iran is a slight favorite. Gogshelidze turns 32 this year, he was better in 2001 (year he won Worlds) than he was in 2008, better in '08 than '09, better in '09 than '10, etc. A match between him and Varner is arguably a toss-up IF Varner reaches a slightly higher level than he showed at Beat The Streets which I'm expecting to happen. Is Tigiev definitely still competing? I haven't seen him in any tournaments since the Olympics. Either way with 3-5 wrestlers as favorites over him Varner seems to absolutely be in the mix to medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwh27 View Post
    Good post. Although I would argue that those wrestlers didn't "overpower" Varner, it just appeared that way because of their superior technique. Bergman appeared to have physically mauled Varner last year which was largely because he knew how to take advantage of his one-dimensional style. Varner isn't the same wrestler as he was back then, the Beat the Streets match and his performance against Aliev demonstrate that he's made some enormous strides especially with that ankle pick developing. In my opinion, at this point Azerbaijan is a major favorite over him, Russia is a solid favorite and Iran is a slight favorite. Gogshelidze turns 32 this year, he was better in 2001 (year he won Worlds) than he was in 2008, better in '08 than '09, better in '09 than '10, etc. A match between him and Varner is arguably a toss-up IF Varner reaches a slightly higher level than he showed at Beat The Streets which I'm expecting to happen. Is Tigiev definitely still competing? I haven't seen him in any tournaments since the Olympics. Either way with 3-5 wrestlers as favorites over him Varner seems to absolutely be in the mix to medal.
    With varner and ketoev, ketoev just seemed to lock up that underhook and force him down, i agree though his improvements since the ketoev and ebrahimi matches are above and beyond, his performances against akhmedov and aliev showed it, but against gatsalov or muradov i think they have too much technique, experience, strength and speed for him, I wish i could see his match with aliev just to see how he beat him, akhmedov doesn't present the same kind of strength game as gatsalov or muradov, but aliev is pretty stocky and strong.
    I'd say he matches up badly with gogshelidze although old, is ridiculously strong in the clinch i think he gets a hold of varner he'll slap on that 2 on 1 and there will be no way out and he'll just force him down. As for yazdani i think he has better chance with gazyumov than yazdani, yazdani is what 5ft 7/8 the chances of ankle picking him will be very difficult or getting any kind of effective shot, yazdani loses on exposers usually and varner isn't too well known for that. Gazyumov is on a high at the moment winning everything but a guy who will get in his face and refuses to get dominated has a good chance and thats varners style, but i still can't see him beating gazyumov.
    Really its a shame for varner being in a monster weight class, but if he wins it or medals it will be a sweet victory for him.
    Tigiev is still wrestling since the olympics, he has been quite active in the last year he had a victory over gatsalov and yazdani in poland, then was beaten heavily by yazdani at the asian games, tigiev even went up to 120 and beat akhmedov.

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    When are the russian nats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoWrestler View Post
    When are the russian nats?
    On flo they have them listed as being June 25-July 5th. There aren't any videos up yet though.

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    June 24-26, the GR nats were held.
    FS nats - July 1-3.

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    Do you have full results? Themat.com has partial results

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    Im just curious but how hot is it this time of year in russia? is it very humid there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pointcrossankle View Post
    Im just curious but how hot is it this time of year in russia? is it very humid there?
    Obviously, I am bored. Darn Reds took the lead in the 8th then gave up the winning homer in the bottom of the ninth. So instead of listening to the post game I googled this.

    Yakutsk - Sakha Weather Forecasts | Maps | News - Yahoo! Weather

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Do you have full results? Themat.com has partial results
    GR

    55 kg. 1. Bekhan Mankiev, 2. Ivan Tatarinov, 3. Sergej Poprushko, Damir Ahmedzyanov.

    60 kg. 1. Zaur Kuramagomedov, 2. Vyacheslav Dzhaste, 3. Maksim Karpov. Ivan Kuylakov.

    66 kg. 1. Yurii Denisov, 2. Migran Arutyunyan, 3. Adam Kurak, Islambek Albiev.

    74 kg. 1. Roman Vlasov, 2. Imil Sharafetdinov, 3. Alexander Chehirkin, Ilyas Magomadov.

    84 kg. 1. Aleksei Mishin, 2. Alan Hugaev, 3. Oleg Shokalov, Zaur Karezhev.

    96 kg. 1. Nikita Melnikov, 2. Rustem Totrov, 3. Konstantin Efimov, Aslanbek Hushtov

    120 kg. 1. Artiom Doronin, 2. Alexander Anuchin, 3. Aslan Dadov, Aleksandr Ekimov.

    ***
    Comeback of the Russians! Ethnic/Slavic Russians. They won in 5 weight classes. Caucasians won only in 55 and 60; in the other weight classes, they took 2-3-5 places.

    Olympic champs:
    55 N. Mankiev and 120 Baroev didn't participate. (In 55, N. Mankeiv's brother placed 1st.)
    66 Albiev and 96 Khushtov lost to the guys who eventually placed 2nd.

    84 Hugaev and 96 Totrov who were expected to win the nationals lost their finals. At Poddubny in Jan they won the tourney (Hugaev beat Mishin and Totrov beat Melnikov) and at the World cup in March, they beat the Iranian top wrestlers Nematpour and Ghorbani.

    96 kg champ Melnikov was national champ also in 2010 but he doesn't have any international success yet.

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