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    Zeke Jones explains that this is one of the implications of the new rules. Since Bunch won an international tournament earlier this year, Reece and Shawn will both enter a summer tournament. The higher placer will be on the world team.

    I've got to say, I like this rule.

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    Would be a really rough way to lose out on a spot.

    Kind of conflicted as I've always like Humphrey and have never really been a fan of Bunch, but like you I feel like Bunch is one of our better if not our best medal threats.
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    Yeah, I know what you mean. I've always been a Humphrey fan but I think international competition is a better selector. I think that Humphrey will be a tremendous asset for the 2016 cycle and may well improve a lot before the 2012 games (he's certainly improved a lot in the last year). However, I don't think he's there yet. Based on watching the match, it looks like he's thought a lot about neutralizing Bunch's offense, but wasn't really doing much to score on his own.

    I think back to Sigman beating Dlagnev last year. I don't think many people would dispute that Dlagnev was the better medal threat, but Sigman has a ton of knowledge on the topic of beating Tervel and is probably in his head. I actually wouldn't be surprised if this example is why they added the rule this year.


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    You win the open and wtt you should go. If you just won wtt but lost the open, I could see international success factor.
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    Ive changed my stance in 5 minutes.

    This makes a lot of sense to me. Good new rule by Team USA.

    Doesn't Russia do something similar, where not all of their World team trials members make the team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Ive changed my stance in 5 minutes.

    This makes a lot of sense to me. Good new rule by Team USA.

    Doesn't Russia do something similar, where not all of their World team trials members make the team?
    It is similar but in Russia's case they don't have an objective criteria to determine which wrestler they select, it's very political. At least in the United States' case a number of factors have to occur for this to even happen. First, Bunch won a major international tournament which is not common for USA wrestlers and it's something that almost all of our top guys were given the opportunity to do on multiple occasions this past year. If Humphrey had also won a major international tournament then this would be moot, if Bunch had lost to Coleman Scott and not made the WTT finals this would be moot. Finally, for those critical of this because Humphrey is the better wrestler (and better choice for our team) then you should have more faith he'll place higher at this summer tournament which almost definitely will not have medal-contender-level wrestlers. Don't get me wrong it will be very tough competition, but if he's not good enough to place then Bunch getting a lucky draw just isn't a good enough excuse. A lot of people are complaining about this development in our selection criteria because they don't like this specific circumstance, but that misses the point, you have to look at the overall rule. In a far more extreme example, we don't like it when people use their freedom of speech to declare jihad on America on the internet, but we still maintain freedom of speech. This system is a good one because it will give our team the best chance to have success at Worlds/Olympics, and the fact that it gives more credence to these international tours is important too.

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    Zeke also said Varner was the most improved(As in "taken it to another level")

    Someone might have mentioned that not long ago...
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    Saying "win the WTT and you're on the team" is a good philosophy if you view making the world/Olympic team as the ultimate goal, but it's short sighted to look at making the team as the ultimate goal. We need to be putting the best guy on the Olympic team. And the coaches aren't just selecting the rep, the competitors still make the decision with their results. It's a more comprehensive selection process though. My guess is that in most weights this won't be an issue.

    Most of all, it's not like Humphrey is guaranteed to lose the spot. If he outplaces Bunch, it just reaffirms that he is absolutely our best guy.
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    I think this is a good move, i mean if you look at it burroughs hasn't even wrestled in an international tournament yet, he wrestled geduev, but he needs to be doing some tournaments before worlds to get used to it. I think the worlds themselves should be selected regardless of the amount of reps from one country but they should be repped by a rankings table like in tennis when people compete in internationals through the year get ranking points and the best will be at worlds, that way the competition would be much stronger.

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