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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I don't know what that means bluestater. I am not a billionaire. I do pay $160 every 6 months to NYAC so that I can practice there. I also pay $70 per month to New York Sprts Club near my house so that I can workout there any time I want. That is over $1000 per year. If there were a full equipped training facility with a wrestling room near my house, I would not need a separate gym to go to.
    You don't have to be a billionaire to give a little something. I'm saying-put up or shut up. Don't simply just sit at your computer and point out what you perceive as problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    You don't have to be a billionaire to give a little something. I'm saying-put up or shut up. Don't simply just sit at your computer and point out what you perceive as problems.
    I don't feel I should. America, the country I love so much, should help me.

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    I don't feel I should. America, the country I love so much, should help me.
    Why? What makes you so special? Though many presidential quotes are going through my mind right now, I am going to have to pick:

    Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

    And if you don't feel you should, I guess that's your right. But don't hold your breath waiting for my tax dollars to help you, or any other athlete. I would be outraged if my senator or representative voted for athletic support over strengthening our country's infrastructure, schools, healthcare or defense. If I want to support athletics, I can do that with my private money, either through direct support or by supporting the corporations who support athletes, just as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    Why? What makes you so special? Though many presidential quotes are going through my mind right now, I am going to have to pick:

    Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

    And if you don't feel you should, I guess that's your right. But don't hold your breath waiting for my tax dollars to help you, or any other athlete. I would be outraged if my senator or representative voted for athletic support over strengthening our country's infrastructure, schools, healthcare or defense. If I want to support athletics, I can do that with my private money, either through direct support or by supporting the corporations who support athletes, just as you can.
    Its all nice and sweet but it is not very professional. I can reverse the position and say people can privately donate to whatever they feel the country needs for defense and bridges. That doesn't happen.

    Like I said before, America is so rich and yet so poor. It all depends on what things matter most to you.

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    And FWIW the argument that it is either wrestling rooms or bridges and defense is pitiful. Wrestling rooms don't cost nearly as much and America does have plenty of money but it is often used for fancy vacations for politicians and Ferraris for their children.

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    And FWIW the argument that it is either wrestling rooms or bridges and defense is pitiful. Wrestling rooms don't cost nearly as much and America does have plenty of money but it is often used for fancy vacations for politicians and Ferraris for their children.
    But that's private money, and you get to use it how you want, not government money. CODELS (those fancy vacation you mention) are usually sponsored by political action groups or corporations. You're comparing apples and oranges.

    People will not donate money to infrastructure, because that is a fundamental job of the government. People donate to athletics, not for profits, schools and churches because they believe in what they do. No one believes in a bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    But that's private money, and you get to use it how you want, not government money. CODELS (those fancy vacation you mention) are usually sponsored by political action groups or corporations. You're comparing apples and oranges.

    People will not donate money to infrastructure, because that is a fundamental job of the government. People donate to athletics, not for profits, schools and churches because they believe in what they do. No one believes in a bridge.

    So, then the problem is that wealthy Americans don't believe in wrestling clubs. Case closed I guess.

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    Both positions are tenable - but only if you choose to act. America is the richest nation in the world because of democracy and capitalism. If you believe that supporting Olympic sports is more important than infrastructure then you have to lead or join a movement to get that agenda before congress. If you do it well you could win.

    If you choose the position that wrestling should take care of itself by enlisting private investment you can also succeed, but only if you act. To sit back and whine that the government should, but doesn't act; or to point out that "the second richest man in Russia" funds Russian wrestling and we don't have an American counterpart accomplishes nothing. I can't speak for bluestater - only myself. We who love this sport spend way too much time blaming - blaming Title IX, blaming the government, blaming USA Wrestling (in my case), blaming the general sporting public's indifference - and way too little time DOING.

    My glass house may shatter - but I'm trying. Come'on - let's quit arguing and do something - even if it's wrong.

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    Our love for wrestling denies both, the virtue of democracy and capitalism. Wrestlers and its fans are a minority in this country and it is not a revenue making sport. For a person to love something so much that isn't acknowledged by the majority as worthy and to spend so much time and energy to be engaged in something that produces no inclome is pretty much un-American I am sorry to say.

    In other words, according to capitalist views I should not be spending a lot of time and energy doing something that will not maximize my financial gains.

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