Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 10 to 16 of 16

Thread: Guelph Open

  1. #10

    Default Re: Guelph Open

    Lost? Is this a contest? You're way too competitive, but you must have quit wrestling. I don't know any active Canadian wrestlers begging for russians to come fill our weights.

  2. #11

    Default Re: Guelph Open

    Quote Originally Posted by jba205 View Post
    Lost? Is this a contest? You're way too competitive, but you must have quit wrestling. I don't know any active Canadian wrestlers begging for russians to come fill our weights.
    While I'm sure our top 120 kg wrestlers could do without the competition, I bet a lot of active wrestlers like the idea. When Matt Gentry won his first Sr. National title in Canada, he had a ton of people cheering for him and he was living in the US. Can't imagine it would be any different for Voronin.

    Our sr. men's program just can't seem to get over the "hump" (Sissouri and Igali aside) to medal at the worlds. We've had lots of victories over top Americans and even some Europeans, champions at mid-level international tournaments and top 10 finishes in the world... but still the medals elude us (Zilberman was sooo close a few years back).

    With Russian/American/whatever wrestlers competing in our tournaments, it might provide the additional competition to push our athletes to our next level. The Gentry/Macdonald and Pliev/Zilberman type riivalries can only strengthen our program. We need some world-level sucess in this country to breed more sucess and hopefully lead to better preformances from long-time Canadians as well as "importS".

  3. #12

    Default Re: Guelph Open

    I can understand someone's sentiment about having newly arrived athletes take up carding space, podium space and international traveling space if that's what you're asking. It would be no different than being bumped in a job.

    As for results (which is what Sports Canada wants) the more medals the better. Will we obtain medals with only home-grown wrestlers? We did at one point. Not anymore. I have no problem with a citizenship being fast-tracked if it benefits this country greatly or has the potential to.

  4. #13

    Default Re: Guelph Open

    I can see the logic in saying that more imports, increases competition which in turn will breed stronger wrestlers. In theory it should make sense. But in reality, there is only so much funding and opportunities to go around. When a superstar from another country comes and becomes Canadian, they become a black hole for funding. It may just be a coincidence, but our last Canadian born wrestler to win a medal was Jeff Thoe in 1992. Then came Gia and then Igali. During that time we have had great athletes, hiding in the shadows of foreign born athletes. The increased competition that Gia and Daniel brought, has not made our country stronger as a whole, but it has focussed our attention on a few select athletes (daniel and gia) and made us known as a country that can't create great athletes, only import them.

    And as for people cheering for Gentry, don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but cheers for him could easily just have been people cheering against Guelph. When Gentry won in 06, I was there and don't recall many people happy to see him win. Just because someone cheers for the guy, doesn't mean they want foreign athletes to edge out our Canadian ones.

  5. #14

    Default Re: Guelph Open

    I respect your opinion, Jeff. Good luck at Nationals. Sorry that I came across a little competitive.

  6. #15

    Default Re: Guelph Open

    Well said Hubbard, I also want to wish you the best of luck jba. There won't be an controversy with "imports" if athletes like yourself beat them

  7. #16

    Default Re: Guelph Open

    Quote Originally Posted by jba205 View Post
    I can see the logic in saying that more imports, increases competition which in turn will breed stronger wrestlers. In theory it should make sense. But in reality, there is only so much funding and opportunities to go around. When a superstar from another country comes and becomes Canadian, they become a black hole for funding. It may just be a coincidence, but our last Canadian born wrestler to win a medal was Jeff Thoe in 1992. Then came Gia and then Igali. During that time we have had great athletes, hiding in the shadows of foreign born athletes. The increased competition that Gia and Daniel brought, has not made our country stronger as a whole, but it has focussed our attention on a few select athletes (daniel and gia) and made us known as a country that can't create great athletes, only import them.

    And as for people cheering for Gentry, don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but cheers for him could easily just have been people cheering against Guelph. When Gentry won in 06, I was there and don't recall many people happy to see him win. Just because someone cheers for the guy, doesn't mean they want foreign athletes to edge out our Canadian ones.
    I respect your opinion as an Olympic/World Team hopeful.

    However, if a Russian immigrant who gains Canadian citizenship ends up at 84kg and wins the weight over you and then proceeds to medal in the Olympics or World Championships, I'll call that a win for Canada. An immigrant winning a medal is far better for the sport than a domestic athlete placing 14th. Success breeds success.

    There was a large spike in the interest in our sport in Canada after Igali's win. Many kids entered the sport after seeing his win in Sydney and that only benefited our country as a whole. Further, if we can get some of these athletes to remain in Canada and coach after they retire, our programs will become far stronger.

    Same reason why you see Canadians coaching and playing hockey overseas. To spread the game and increase the skill to nations that require it. Technique being taught from a former Russian national team member or Georgian Olympian is better than most coaches we have in this country. Not to say our National Team coaches are horrible, but we just do not have the culture of success on our side as home-grown Canadians.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •