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    Default Differences between Russian and American wrestling philosophies

    In America creativity is associated mostly with building wealth and money making in general. Therefore, wrestlers in America are mostly viewed as beacons of strong willed, well conditioned tough guys that are brute in strength and character. Since wrestling has no money in it, why else would wrestlers do it? Because of their violent and tough nature.

    This is very evident with Americans concentrating mainly on the toughness of the sport when discussing wrestling and the emphasis on conditioning.

    Russian philosophy is quite different. Toughness and strong will are very important but they are no more important than creativity, virtuosity, cunning character, and resourcefullness of energy.

    Russian coaches and wrestlers both value a professional, almost corporate office like study of the sport where wrestling coaches are viewed no less smart and cunning than financial office brokers. Technical moves are broken down to the smallest details and training planning is discussed in an environment as serious as a major corporation takeover.

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    i agree whole heartedly, thats the reason some felt that the russians wrestled not lazy, but slow. And the whole time they are just trying to set you up concentrating more on positioning and conserving energy. whereas the americans are always in your face trying to force an opening. as i get older the russian style is more appealing to me. Until i've traveld over seas i never was exposed to the different styles. it was like opening pandoras box.The way they use their feet to attack and their overall use of underhook, overhooks and 2on1 is amazing. GOOD POST

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    What is your opinion on the philosophy of Iranian wrestlers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caspiantiger View Post
    What is your opinion on the philosophy of Iranian wrestlers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caspiantiger View Post
    What is your opinion on the philosophy of Iranian wrestlers?
    Iranian wrestlers are the Warren Buffets and Bill Gates if Iran. They get prestige and money so any Iranian youth with good health dreams of representing team Iran.

    In fact, Iranians are so much into creative and technical wrestling that like Bill Gates they sometimes forget to keep up the rough side of the sport, physical conditioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Iranian wrestlers are the Warren Buffets and Bill Gates if Iran. They get prestige and money so any Iranian youth with good health dreams of representing team Iran.

    In fact, Iranians are so much into creative and technical wrestling that like Bill Gates they sometimes forget to keep up the rough side of the sport, physical conditioning.
    I train with some Iranian wrestlers and they are very fit and very strong.

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    I train with some Iranian wrestlers and they are very fit and very strong.

    a lot of international wrestlers ask for 'injury timeouts' to regain composure, and/or to change the tempo of the match.

    for example, after they score, and must then change to a defensive mindset. or the opposite: they had the lead, they were scored upon, and must then regain an offensive mindset.

    an example: i rememebr the way kolat used to flip out when the iranians took breaks. you think the iranian coaches didn't take note of that?? sure they did! they knew once kolat got on a roll, and started scoring points, it was virtually impossible to stop him. so they probably encouraged their wrestlers to take those breaks... as an attempt to break kolat's mental focus.

    so it's not always a 'lung break', more often than one would think, it is psychological warfare.

    or, as my buddy called it....THEATRICS
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    so it's not always a 'lung break', more often than one would think, it is psychological warfare.

    American wrestlers have always been susceptable to this sort of thing. The Soviets used to get in quick shots off of over amped Americans early in a match, and get a lead. Then shut down. And if the American could come back.... they would act like they could barely walk... and hit a solid shot to win. Today they will get something that seems cheap, which rattles us, and then score because we are flustered. We have to much of that - hit you over the head with a hammer thing.... instead of the.... this guy is a stud and I need to win the chess match attitude. Rattling Americans is easy. It drives Jackson crazy as a coach.

    Smith, Dave Schultz, and Jackson later on, seemed to adapt to it fine. It actually made Smith better technically. The rest fell for it a lot. Many still do.

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    And FWIW..... many make the excuses... "that's not what wrestling should be".... or, "they change the rules against us".... or any number of excuses. BS! You adapt to the circumstances. Everybody is wrestling under the same rules. This isn't one of those things where we get to make the rules by some sort of "most powerful country in the world" birth right. We have to win by beating what is in front of us, with the rules in place.

    Kolat is a good example of not adapting. Those calls went against him time and again? Well at somepoint you might think he would use that amazing ability he had, and adapt his wrestling to the WAY THEY WERE CALLING IT.

    Getting off my soapbox because I think the current batch of US wrestlers is better at adapting now.

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