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    Does who you draw for the 3rd or 4th round of wrestling depend upon how you do in the 1st and 2nd rounds of competition at all? Cause it seemed to be a trend that decent wrestlers would get 2 pins/TF's in the 1st 2 rounds of competition and then wrestle a duo such as Alton/Ness and get eliminated from competition. Does anyone know about this system?
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    And does anyone know how Cody Allala (Cadet 152, Virginia) ended up wrestling for 5th with a 3 seed? I know everything's based on the points system and all but the brackets show that he beat the 2 seed of his pool on the far right of the bracket. It doesn't show a score but it says Allala received 3 points while the 2 seed received 1. Does anyone know the answer to this?
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    The draw for line bracketing is very complicated, well not really if you have the right teacher. I will tell you the basics of how it works.

    The top guy in the bracket starts off and he will always wrestle the first guy he hasn't wrestled that is not eliminated. Then the next lowest wrestler wrestles the first guy he has not wrestled and so on.

    A couple side notes:
    1. If someone has a bye, the next round he becomes the top wrestler.
    2. If the bracket goes down to the end and the last two wrestlers have already met, they will do a reverse pairing and they will both wrestle someone they have yet to meet.

    Now to your second question.
    The weight you were looking at is a lot of fun and it seemed that there were an adnormal amount of round robins where the wrestlers all went 1-1. This also happened at Junior 152 and 119 at least.

    In a perfect world when they get to the round robin, one wrestler will go 2-0, one will go 1-1 and the other will go 0-2.

    Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. So there are tie breakers to determine who goes for 1-3-5.
    1. Most classification points in the round robin. This means points for a pin(5), tech(4), decision(3) and scoring a point without getting pinned(1).
    2. The most classification points for the entire competition.
    3. The most victories.
    4. The most victories by fall.
    5. The most victories by technical superiority
    6. The most victories 5-0, not including falls
    7. Most victories by decision (0-5 pts.)
    8. The fewest defeats.
    9. The least total time of the falls or technical falls during the round robin.
    10. The number of technical points scored by each wrestler in his/her two round robin bouts. The one scoring the
    most is the winner.
    11. If none of the criteria has broken the tie, the wrestlers are weighed, and the lightest wrestler wins.

    I hope that helps, the line bracketing system is not perfect and rewards kids for getting falls and techs. Of course kids that face tougher competition earlier in the tournament could be hurt once it comes down time for the last few kids left in the weight class. Sometimes a bye will help you advance further in a tournament, but can come back to haunt you if it comes down to classification points and another opponent has one more match than you. Its not a perfect system as no system is perfect in finding the true 1st-8th place finishers.
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    Yeah, that helped alot actually. Where did you learn all of that? I guess it's kinda like the Big 12 last year where texas tech, oklahoma, and texas were all 1-1 in that little series of play so it went down to criteria. I never actually took the time to look at it and see that Allala won that match but loss the other and therefore tied for 1st with two other wrestlers. I think that Fargo Nationals would make a big step in formulating some sort of wrestle of rather than doing it by criteria. After the 20 matches these guys wrestle in 2 weeks, it wouldn't be that much of a change to add in another match or two.
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    and by the way, you're avatar thing is amazing, how do you get it on there?
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    I editted my profile to get my avatar.

    Here is some information on pairings and such. Its hard to understand sometimes, especially in bigger brackets such as the ones in Fargo. The tie-breakers aren't the greatest, but they do reward pins and techs, which are what every wrestler should strive for in each match.

    http://iswa.com/iswa_pairing_information.htm
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    No, I fully understand now. You pretty much explained it perfectly. But I think some reforming would be nice if you know what I mean
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