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    That's laughable. Non-aggression pact didn't build Germany's military.

    It simply meant the two Nations were not going to attack each other. Obviously, Hitler lied.

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    It allowed the Germans to rampage through out Europe completely safe from any Soviet attacks. Just so Stalin's greedy ass could satisfy his territorial ambitions.

    Anyone with a decent bit of sense would agree that the Non-Aggression Pact was definitely more key to what Germany was eventually able to do than any menial contributions from American investors.

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    Somehow after Revolution, Civil War and famine in Soviet Union, I fail to imagine why Stalin would care what Hitler was doing in Europe.

    The United States, however, happily watched its businessmen build Hitler's military while Hitler was conquering Europe.

    Hitler would sink American commercial ships bound for England while allowing American ships bound for Germany. Only then Americans decided to stop sending ships to Germany and proceeded strictly through finances to still help Germany.

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    Jense, the non agression pact was signed in 1939. The question is how did Germany get such a powerful military before 1939. The Soviets didn't help germany conquer Europe. Were the soviets there when the germans obliterated France in 24 hours? Stalin did give Hitler oil, gas and exports but germany's military was already strong at that time. After WW1, the european countries saw USSR as a big threat. The only problem was that they didn't wanna wage war against the soviets. So they decided to build up Germany's military power and when they saw Hitler was going to take power, they wanted to use him as a puppet leader to wage war against the soviets while the rest of Europe just sits back. They never expected Hitler to attack them. The European countries allowed Germany to build it's military again way before the non agression pact.

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    Excellent observation saitiev!

    Imagine if Hitler attacked Soviet Union first, before he attacked England and France. I believe USA, France and England would be on Hitler's side in this case.

    It might have been Hitler's biggest mistake not to attack Soviet Union first and make friends with America this way.

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    Jense, the non agression pact was signed in 1939. The question is how did Germany get such a powerful military before 1939.
    They gained a powerful military because they were a country rich in resources, and they were able to utilize those resources because countries were too afraid to confront them and possibly start a war after the horrors of World War One.

    Stalin did give Hitler oil, gas and exports
    Glad you're able to acknowledge this.

    After WW1, the european countries saw USSR as a big threat. The only problem was that they didn't wanna wage war against the soviets. So they decided to build up Germany's military power and when they saw Hitler was going to take power, they wanted to use him as a puppet leader to wage war against the soviets while the rest of Europe just sits back.
    Bolded part I agree with. Second part is pure, unadulterated propaganda.

    They never expected Hitler to attack them. The European countries allowed Germany to build it's military again way before the non agression pact.
    Completely agree, as I said in a previous post the Versailles Treaty and it's limits on Germany were dead letter by 1925 or so. However they allowed Germany to build up through negligence, not through direct aid as your rotund comrade seems to be trying paint out.


    The biggest screw up that wound up with the Versailles Treaty, in my opinion at least came due to Wilson's arrogance. He trumpeted the Versailles Treaty as a victory for the Democrats, not for the country, and he tossed out nearly every one of his Fourteen Points in order to get his League of Nations.

    And he'd have gotten it if he'd been willing to acquiesce to Henry Cabot Lodge's request to have him publicly state that should the US become a party to the League they would still be able to exercise their foreign policy independent of the league if they saw fit. This was written in the treaty, but Wilson was unable to swallow his pride, and as a result the Senate didn't sign it.

    Without the only major power that hadn't been ravaged by the war, the League had no teeth. The League having no teeth enabled the agressive actions of Germany and Japan

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    Jensen,

    As long as you call every source that doesn't agree with American ideals unimportant and don't look at it, you can come to the conclusion that Americans had no fault. The fact is many American businessmen and even those in American government provided Hitler with finances even despite Hitler conquering countries and sending Jews to concentration camps.

    Saitiev's input regarding Soviet Union is somewhat limited to the point that he feels Russia was a victim of Soviet Union and Stalin.

    Maybe so but Russian Tzar was no better than Saddam Hussein and many Russian people now are yearning of what they had during Soviet era.

    USA will probably have a million Iraqis killed with this war or about 5% of the population. Maybe more, who knows. That is about the same % that died during Stalin era in Soviet Union.

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    Not to change the subject, but an oft-quoted figure (if my memory is correct) that I've read is that Stalin let 30 million Russians starve to death in the 30s or so. That would certainly be more than 5% of the population. If you have knowledge otherwise, please set the record straight, Big.

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    Dang matclone, what do you have to go and mess up a perfectly good argument with facts for? The millions that starved also need to be added to the thousands that Stalin had purged since they weren't "good" little Commies.

    At least those deaths can't be blamed on the Americans.

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