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    See, you're more sophisticated in your social and political stances than you give yourself credit for.
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    Frankly, I don't think either candidate can drastically turn around the economy - it will gradually correct itself regardless of who is elected.
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    You mentioned one of the dirty little secrets about the economy. The other is consumer confidence, which then directly links to what you said.

    See, you're more sophisticated in your social and political stances than you give yourself credit for.
    One of my favorite radio hosts Dave Ramsey (who is conservative but his show is not about politics but rather personal finance) always says that people/wall street/the economy will prosper no matter which party is in Washington.
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    The Laffer Curve is a valid theory in economics? That's a new one on me, and I've been around a reasonable number of economists in my day. It didn't work too well in practice either, otherwise we wouldn't have needed 11 tax increases during the 80's, right?

    What did you find inaccurate about any of the Maddow clips? I would welcome any inaccuracies that you could show me. As a bit of warning, she uses peoples' own words to expose them, so she doesn't need to make anything up. Her allure wouldn't be the same. AM radio has done a great job in duping people into thinking that a biased perspective is an accurate one. We are all biased, yet we can accurately state facts as well.

    Either way, check her out and let me know what's incorrect. I'd be interested.
    The Laffer curve is absolutely a valid theory. So apparently is Keynesian economics, which has fallen flat on it's face over the past four years. Many esteemed economists are shocked every month that GDP and unemployment are still low. It's not shocking to me, it's predictable. The economy will eventually recover, as Spider said in another post. The problem is that Obama's polices have slowed the recovery rather than accelerated.

    I'm sure Maddow says a few things that are accurate, just like Hannity or Limbaugh do. That doesn't make her any less of a partisan hack. You make fun of the talking heads on the right, there is no way Maddow can be characterized as anything but a talking head on the left.

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    The Laffer curve is absolutely a valid theory. So apparently is Keynesian economics, which has fallen flat on it's face over the past four years. Many esteemed economists are shocked every month that GDP and unemployment are still low. It's not shocking to me, it's predictable. The economy will eventually recover, as Spider said in another post. The problem is that Obama's polices have slowed the recovery rather than accelerated.

    I'm sure Maddow says a few things that are accurate, just like Hannity or Limbaugh do. That doesn't make her any less of a partisan hack. You make fun of the talking heads on the right, there is no way Maddow can be characterized as anything but a talking head on the left.
    No, you tried to claim that Rachel Maddow was, in fact, not an accurate source of information. I then asked you to review the clips that I posted to tell me (and everyone) what you found specifically to be inaccurate in her statements. What you just said is something completely different.

    No, the Laffer curve is NOT a valid scientific theory in economics. It was literally developed on a bar napkin, and has never worked in reality.

    Demand side economics has worked excellently in the past four years! For one, the economy IS improved since January of 2009, like it or lump it. Is that NOT correct? But, more importantly, it HAD to have worked because of all the regressives who were touting what they accomplished in their districts and states with the STIMULUS FUNDS! They ate those funds up like little kids eating candy! That tells me that it worked pretty derned well, right?

    Finally, and this is really the question that I would like addressed: which specific Obama policies are you referring to that have "slowed the recovery?" I LOVE asking this question, as your answers will likely take us full circle, and back to the very vidyos that I posted about his accomplishments. In other words, AM radio and Wiretap news is deliberately lying to you, most likely.
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    No, you tried to claim that Rachel Maddow was, in fact, not an accurate source of information. I then asked you to review the clips that I posted to tell me (and everyone) what you found specifically to be inaccurate in her statements. What you just said is something completely different.
    I'm willing to call Maddow an accurate source of information as long as you are willing to call Hannity an accurate source of information. I'm fine with that.

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    I'm willing to call Maddow an accurate source of information as long as you are willing to call Hannity an accurate source of information. I'm fine with that.
    Hannity tells lies; blatant, flat out lies.

    Maddow's show isn't about making things up. Like John Stewart, she simply shows clips or provides quotes and proceeds to tear them apart with facts.

    I repeat: if you can show me where Rachel Maddow lies, or is even incorrect in the vidyos, please do. I'm an honest and fair man.

    Some Hannity lies, you ask? These are only from the top of my head:
    Saying that John Kerry called U.S. troops terrorists.
    Saying that Jack Murtha called our troops "cold blooded killers."
    Saying that Obama has increased taxes
    Saying that the economy is not improving
    Saying that there are gubment death panels
    These. The Document Sean Hannity Doesn't Want You To Read
    This. [url=http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1450]News Corpse
    And, this:
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    Ban I would debate on whether the the cash for clunkers programmed worked, for a multitude of reasons, 1. It paid people to trade in cars they would have traded in anyway and only caused a boost to the auto market for a short time rather than letting the sales be dispursed over the course of the year. 2 because they crushed the vehicles that were traded in they hurt the ability of lower income people to buy a car because they could not afford one. It also hurt the salvage business because the parts were destroyed, so lower income people who were relying on those cars culd not fix them.

    Also while she might be accurate about the stimulas, in saying its the largest tax cu, investment in green energy and education, it didnt work. We did not recover because of the stimulus and we havent seen any real job growth from it. Now if it had been the lagest investment in infrastructure rather than green energy we might have faired a little better.

    Another innacurracy would be when she said that the health care bill "will control a raging out of control healthcare cost", that is not a fact, that is an opinion. And many people believe that the opposite will happen.

    In the last video she starts off innacurrate. she said " The myth of bipartisanship, the feutility of democrats including the president wasting time trying to persuade republicans to go along with them on policies that are good for the country". Where in that quote was there one factually accurate statement. I could also be wrong but I dont remember any republicn saying they were for trying terrorists in public court.

    Those are just some that I found but feel free to disagree. I think the problem with Maddow is that she is a Hannity, she is an opinion person not a news person.

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    Ban I would debate on whether the the cash for clunkers programmed worked, for a multitude of reasons, 1. It paid people to trade in cars they would have traded in anyway and only caused a boost to the auto market for a short time rather than letting the sales be dispursed over the course of the year. 2 because they crushed the vehicles that were traded in they hurt the ability of lower income people to buy a car because they could not afford one. It also hurt the salvage business because the parts were destroyed, so lower income people who were relying on those cars culd not fix them.

    Also while she might be accurate about the stimulas, in saying its the largest tax cu, investment in green energy and education, it didnt work. We did not recover because of the stimulus and we havent seen any real job growth from it. Now if it had been the lagest investment in infrastructure rather than green energy we might have faired a little better.

    Another innacurracy would be when she said that the health care bill "will control a raging out of control healthcare cost", that is not a fact, that is an opinion. And many people believe that the opposite will happen.

    In the last video she starts off innacurrate. she said " The myth of bipartisanship, the feutility of democrats including the president wasting time trying to persuade republicans to go along with them on policies that are good for the country". Where in that quote was there one factually accurate statement. I could also be wrong but I dont remember any republicn saying they were for trying terrorists in public court.

    Those are just some that I found but feel free to disagree. I think the problem with Maddow is that she is a Hannity, she is an opinion person not a news person.
    1. Regarding Cash for Clunkers, yes, the jury could be out on that one. I'm not going to try to debate it, as it's difficult to find substantive data one way or another on it.

    2. As for the stimulus, again, I'll save everyone the pain and misery of posting the video again of republican after republican who used the stimulus funds in their areas, created huge projects out of the funds, and took credit for the projects. That, to me, suggests that is was successful for them and their areas!

    As for actual data, the CBO seems to show pretty clearly that it, in fact, did work. It certainly didn't put the economy backward. CBO | Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output from January 2012 Through March 2012

    3. How does anyone know if this is fact or opinion yet!? It would be absurd to claim either way. We'll see...

    4. That was the whole point of the video on the stimulus! Maddow showed clip after clip of republicans taking exactly the same stances on issues that Obama took, but when Obama proposed it, they suddenly didn't like that idea anymore. One GREAT example of that is the gubment mandate on buying health care http://thinkprogress.org/progress-re...age/?mobile=nc

    Finally, I would also offer the fact that comedian/party boss Rush I Want Gubment To Pay For My Internet Porn Limbaugh stated that he wanted Obama to fail; Mitch McConnel stated that "our first priority should be to make him a one-term President" and this link to show how it is futile for Obama to try to work with republicans. Obama clearly tried to reach across the aisle from day one (note the date) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/us...s/28obama.html

    We should also NEVER forget this great show of love of America, especially being that the Olympic just ended.
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    Here's another favorite Sean McVeigh Hannity moment,that should have been included in my "Lies" post.

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