Round II?

[ban basketball]

"Different tone", as in "liberal agenda"? Shocking that the R's resisted his gracious offers.

Since you relexively bring us Limbaugh and Hannity for no real reason (in fact you are the only dude who talks about or references them), let's assume that Limbaugh was made President tomorrow. He calls a meeting of the R's and the D's, and says that in order to get the country back on track we need to (1) institute a 10% flat tax and (2) decrease spending across the board by 30%. He sits at the table with leadership of both parties, he really wants to make this happen so he is reaching out to all parties.

When the D's don't immediately agree, Rush's people run to the Wall Street Journal and portray Rush as trying to build bridges, really reaching across the aisle, and all he is getting from the D's are inaction and blocking tactics. The WSJ laps it up and prints articles and editorials presenting the D's as obstructionist and Rush as a transformative President.

That's a pretty accurate representation of what Obama did, how was that truly reaching across the aisle? It isn't, it's politics as usual, using the media as lapdogs.

As the link shows, three pages of reaching across the aisle. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...gs/compromise/

[ban basketball]

No offense, but that's the sort of argument I hear from my five year old.

OK, old timer. Well, I have sons 23 and 21, and, although we never taught them violence, we did teach them that if someone hits you or attacks you, you strike back.

That's what I did, with the exception of my own personal motto (did not teach the kids this): if someone attacks me or hits me, they get it back x10.

I sleep well with that belief.

[ban basketball]

"Different tone", as in "liberal agenda"? Shocking that the R's resisted his gracious offers.

Since you relexively bring us Limbaugh and Hannity for no real reason (in fact you are the only dude who talks about or references them), let's assume that Limbaugh was made President tomorrow. He calls a meeting of the R's and the D's, and says that in order to get the country back on track we need to (1) institute a 10% flat tax and (2) decrease spending across the board by 30%. He sits at the table with leadership of both parties, he really wants to make this happen so he is reaching out to all parties.

When the D's don't immediately agree, Rush's people run to the Wall Street Journal and portray Rush as trying to build bridges, really reaching across the aisle, and all he is getting from the D's are inaction and blocking tactics. The WSJ laps it up and prints articles and editorials presenting the D's as obstructionist and Rush as a transformative President.

That's a pretty accurate representation of what Obama did, how was that truly reaching across the aisle? It isn't, it's politics as usual, using the media as lapdogs.

Looks like we've set a record number of filibusters.

Gee, I wonder if that's why Obama had a hard time getting any of his initiatives passed, even when democrats held Congress and the White House? Hmmm...

Senate Democrats Propose Filibuster Changes : NPR

[LkwdSteve]

I have attacked, on occassion, some of both Peyton's and Banbasketball's arguments rather vigorously in the past. My reward was getting epithets thrown at my head by both of these gentlemen. I didn't return the favor.

I have and will continue to attack arguments, but not the people posing them.

Name calling is the last refuge for incompetent arguments*.




*Liberally paraphrasing Isaac Asimov

[Flop The Nuts]

As the link shows, three pages of reaching across the aisle. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...gs/compromise/

I read through a few, it doesn't seem like Obama has to do much to warrant a "COMPROMISE" rating.

Obama initially proposes a 90% capital gains tax
Republicans oppose, saying it should stay at the current rate.
Obama says, "OK, I'll lower my proposal to 80%"
COMPROMISE!

[Flop The Nuts]

OK, old timer. Well, I have sons 23 and 21, and, although we never taught them violence, we did teach them that if someone hits you or attacks you, you strike back.

That's what I did, with the exception of my own personal motto (did not teach the kids this): if someone attacks me or hits me, they get it back x10.

I sleep well with that belief.

I don't know if I'm an old-timer or a young buck, but I'm 45. If someone hits my kid then I'd like them to hit back. If someone calls my kid a nasty name on the internet then I'd advise him to get a life and ignore it. Calling people names on the internet isn't fighting back, it's sinking into a waste of time and a distraction.

I'm truly not offended, just kind of surprised.

[quinn14]

Having underfunded pension systems isn't the result of the pension system (as the article I shown illustrated, such pensions onbly account for about 3-4% of state expenditures), but, rather, a lack of revenue into state governments because of this wanton tax cutting that has gone on for over 50 years. In Iowa, we lost about $2 billion dollars per year in tax cuts, as well as most other states. Billions is far larger than millions, as John Stewart so eloquently pointed out to regressives a few weeks back. Even Ronnie Trees Cause The Greenhouse Effect Reagan knew that raising taxes was the only significant way to bring in revenue to the government. Yes, GOP 'Messiah' Ronald Reagan Raised Taxes '11 Times' Mr. Eric Cantor! - YouTube, 10 Things Conservatives Don't Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan | ThinkProgress

Actually, a fun little historical fact about my "second grade name calling." Any ideas where I go the idea for that? Right! You guessed it, comedian/party boss Rush I Want Government To Pay For My Internet Porn Limbaugh, goiang all the way back to my earliest memories of "feminazis," to today's gem of "Chuck You Shumer." If you like the comedian/party boss Rush I Want Government To Pay For My Internet Porn Limbaugh but can tolerate his "second grade antics," then I'm prety confident that you can tolerate mine.

Lowest taxes in 50 years Taxes Reach Lowest Levels in 50 Years

So after all of this bitching and moaning, you agree that the pension funds are underfunded and need to be re-worked. Thanks for playing.

Oh, and I don't listen to Rush, never have. So if he does make those little comments, I wouldn't know it. When have I ever said I did listen to him? This is another one of those things that make me believe you have voices in your head.

[quinn14]

Having underfunded pension systems isn't the result of the pension system (as the article I shown illustrated, such pensions onbly account for about 3-4% of state expenditures), but, rather, a lack of revenue into state governments because of this wanton tax cutting that has gone on for over 50 years.

Do you even read the things you post? Here is a direct quote from the article you posted.

They're underfunded, in large measure because — like investments held in 401(k) plans by American private-sector employees — they sunk along with the entire stock market during the Great Recession of 2007-2009.

That IS a direct result of the pension system and it is my entire point. When these things lost their money, the retirees still got paid because they got bailed out. Meanwhile, the people bailing them out not only got their tax dollars stolen, they also couldn't retire because they had to own up to bad investments. You said that yourself. I know I said I was done debating you and I should've stuck to that, but when you just blatantly make stuff up and claim that an article you posted backs you up then I have to call you on it. Now, I am done. You have admitted that they are underfunded. You have read about your own democrats say that the only way out is restructure or raising taxes, which were my points. Glad I could enlighten you.

[ban basketball]

I read through a few, it doesn't seem like Obama has to do much to warrant a "COMPROMISE" rating.

Obama initially proposes a 90% capital gains tax
Republicans oppose, saying it should stay at the current rate.
Obama says, "OK, I'll lower my proposal to 80%"
COMPROMISE!

Yes, but that's only one. The others were significant compromises, with the health care bill being the ultimate compromise. Keep in mind that Obama wanted a single payer system. What we ended up with was the republican plan that they (especially Willard Mitt Romney) have been pushing for decades!