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    Googgle HR 1540 and you can read it straight from our government's website. This crap is getting stupid. I just hope America wakes up before it's too late. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is happening right now in Washington and is easily proved. Yet a lot of people want to sit back and think it's made up. Check it out.


    Post-9/11, America's moved steadily toward eroding democracy entirely. Justification given is war on terror hokum. Incrementally, international, constitutional and statute laws have been trashed. Equity, justice and other democratic values long ago were abandoned to advance America's imperium. On May 26, the House voted to abolish freedom entirely - HR 1540, 322 - 96. On December 1, the Senate did likewise - S. 1867, 93 to 7. Both versions assure no one anywhere is now safe, including law-abiding US citizens. Senate no votes were cast by Thomas Harkin (D. IA), Rand Paul (R. KY), Thomas Coburn (R. OK), Jeff Merkley (D. OR), Ron Wyden (D. OR), Mike Lee (R. UT), and Bernie Sanders (I. VT). Of the Senate's 51 Democrats, only one voted no. At issue are Sections 1031 and 1032 of the FY 2012 National Defense Authorization Act - NDAA (S. 1867). Section 1031 authorizes indefinitely detaining US citizens without charge or trial. It exceeds previous police state laws. The provision refers to US citizens or lawful resident aliens even though the Constitution protects them. No longer. Enactment means anyone anywhere, including US citizens, may be indefinitely held without charge or trial, based solely on suspicions, baseless allegations or none at all. No reasonable proof is required, just suspicions that those detained pose threats. Under subsection (b)(1), indefinite detentions can follow mere membership (past or present) or support for suspect organizations. Presidents would have unchecked authority to arrest, interrogate and indefinitely detain law-abiding citizens if accused of potentially posing a threat. Constitutional, statute and international laws won't apply. Martial law will replace them.
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    Under the patriot Act if you home school your kids , or are a member of the independent order of Odd Fellows you may be detained . The video you posted of the North questioning (when continuity of Government was mentioned ) and freaked everyone out ,is nearly 20 years old . Yet no one wakes up to these facts . There exists (somewhere ) a video of U.S.Marines implementing Martial law on some small town and nearly every single person followed the Marines with out question . So-we have the plan written down in theory -we then have the plan implemented to perfection -what would YOU do next if this was your plan ??
    Muskets have not been fired in anger in well over a century yet the phrase ''KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY'' still holds great meaning to most Americans . The problem with this as an alternative is the govt. will shut down the electricity, the water,the grocery stores, etc...
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Admit it though, those Odd Fellows are.....odd!

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    Since this will give them the ability to detain any US citizen without cause or charges indefinitely, I see a couple of things that may happen. First, anyone in OWS could be "detained" without cause or charges, same with the Tea Party or a big union head like Lerner or Trumka. The media reports would declare them "missing". The MSM has failed to report this development, so there is no reason to believe that they would report an unconstitutional detainment.

    I can also see members of congress like Rand Paul being publicly accused of being a threat to America and therefore being detained. I don't know what will come of this, but at the current congressional votes even a presidential veto can't stop it. Yet, still people keep electing the same douchebags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oc View Post
    Admit it though, those Odd Fellows are.....odd!
    Since they are simply people helping people like it says in the Bible, that is odd these days.

    Independent Order of Odd Fellows

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    National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal year 2012

    This LAW allows the indefinite military detention on American soil of American citizens who are merely suspected of having connections to terrorism.

    To understand the genius of this legislation, some background is necessary. The Patriot Act had already removed the fourth amendment rights of Americans to privacy, allowing federal authorities access to the private affairs of individuals without any court oversight.


    That act had also removed their rights under the first amendment to free speech, by making it illegal, for example, for one American to tell another that he has been served with a warrant under the Patriot Act -- not, of course, a warrant issued by a court, but by a federal officer who can now write his own warrants without any judicial oversight.


    The National Defense Authorization Act has sought to demolish the very last freedom of Americans -- to receive due process, including the right to a trial by jury, as required in the Constitution, before being detained by the state -- has been passed, ensuring that no American freedoms, exists any longer. Now Americans can be detained by the military without trial or limitation.


    If you think I am kidding, go read the bill. It is in the link above. Btw, Ron Paul voted against this bill.



    Prof. Robert Pape on "Dying to Win" (Part 1 of 4) - YouTube


    Department of Defense study, headed by Robert Pape of the University of Chicago, that collected and analyzed huge amounts of data on suicide terrorism -- which is 12 times more dangerous than other forms of terrorism when measured by the number of people killed per act.


    The most astonishing conclusion of this work, however, was much more general: 95 percent of all suicide terrorist attacks -- going back to the 1980s -- are against countries that the terrorist deems to be occupying (in the sense of a military presence) physical territory that that the terrorist regards as a homeland


    The reason this is astonishing is that this 95 percent figure includes all those radical Islamic groups who have attacked Israel and the USA, but it explains why the U.S., for example, has only experienced such attacks (such as 9/11 itself), from citizens of countries in which it has a military presence: that's why, says the DOD study, we were hit by Saudis on 9-11, but not Iranians, Sudanese or representatives of other countries with a large radical Islamic contingent.


    Occupied "territories" & "lands"? Have you read about BLOWBACK? What Presidential Candidate has mentioned BLOWBACK? You can guess.


    And doesn't this sound like a continuation of the Neo-con agenda? Yes. But who is the White House? Who controls the Senate? The Democrats. Am I critical of the Dems? Yes. But No not really because the point has NOW been made: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 PARTIES. If you still think so you are truly kidding yourself.

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    In case you missed it....


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