Bilderberg Group

[r.payton@att.net]

On Rense.Com they offer up the explanation of who wrote the Protocols and does it matter ? Henry Ford believed they were real and wrote about them every day in his paper.
This ( my first reading of the protocols) was the first time I encountered the word TERRORIZATION-a term referring to the only act left to the goyim-and if they do resort to TERRORIZATION they will be in the right but look like criminals and this will further the CAUSE . As Cooper states -this goes well beyond any one group-although many of one group may be involved-he speaks of the Jesuits , the Vatican , but later you will keep running across the black Royalty , The Green dragons and serpent cults and THE great White Brotherhood-all think they are advancing their own agenda when in reality they are simply pawns in a much bigger game.

the Alaskan Mental Health Bill is a TRUTH and has been around since the 1950's-set up so if you disagree with the person questioning you you are deemed mentally unclean and sent away .In 1956 this bill was passed and 12 milion dollars and 1,000,000 acres of public land were given over to this project.Which is strange since Alaska had only 400 people deemed Mentally Ill at the time. Now called the Uniform Mental Health Act -in it there are no provisions for a trial just sentencing and confiscating your property. pg.139-BAPH

[ODH]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a well known anti-semitic forgery that has been used as justification for persecution of the Jews since befores the Nazis.

It should be a huge red flag of any site that referes to them with any legitimacy at all.

[r.payton@att.net]

The Protocols is widely considered influential in the development of other conspiracy theories, and reappears repeatedly in contemporary conspiracy literature, such as Jim Marrs' Rule by Secrecy. Some recent editions proclaim that the "Jews" depicted in the Protocols are a cover identity for other conspirators such as the Illuminati,[26] Freemasons, the Priory of Sion, or even, in the opinion of David Icke, "extra-dimensional entities-this is from Wikipedia and is , IMO, what Cooper was trying to say-it does NOT matter who wrote them-but that they are coming true-the ''dialogues in hell'' say nearly the exact same thing as the Protocols..as does THE PRINCE by Macheavelli-sp-
the Treaty of Verona would be a better example as to the direction cooper was heading . THAT document is in the Hall of records and deals with the never ending war between the elite and the rest of us.

[leglace]

It was said to be a fraud because it was supposed to be notes taken from a secret meeting. It is alleged that Victor Marsden, a columnist in Russia translated the original document (which conveniently has disappeared since) to be readable. Because he translated it, there is no way of knowing if he fabricated things, or rather everything. That is because the original can not be found. Mr. Marsden hid the rest of his life before he died of poisoning soon after.

Though we hear that it is "proven that it is a fake", that is not correct. It is unsubstantiated by the courts. Many paragraghs were taken from other writers. Though Victor Marsden claims that this was by design by the original author or scriber. This was not a story. It is a speech meant to be inspire.

[quinn14]

That's it. I am heading to the bookstore. My library doesn't have the book and I want to be able to decide for myself. Leglace, I noticed that you deleted a controversial link. PM it to me if you could. I promise not to comment on it in the open forums if you'de like, but I would like to see it.

As a side note, anyone who dies of poisoning must know something. That's medevial stuff. I fear that my wrestling and judo knowledge may land me the same fate by angry Russians. Or maybe that I know every word to every Motley Crue song. Either way, I fear the poison!!

[r.payton@att.net]

Holy cow, I can't get over "Protocols of the wise men of Zion". This was supposedly written between late 1700's and early 1800's. Everything they planned is happening today. This was a playbook made by the elitists of Zion. Including our debt limit issues of today. They bragged about how the goyim people (us, the cattle) will be enslaved to them through debt that they will lure us into because goyim's are so greedy and stupid. It is so prophetic, yet predictable of us cattle to allow this. They planned the federal reserve/ world bank concept back then. They talk like they are so above us, those elitist bastards. Keep in mind, this book was written in 1990.

And then to read the story of Jonathan May, a guy who followed all the rules to create a bank backed up by gold and silver acquired by himself and his partners. All his notes were properly backed, and because he circumvented the indebtedness to the federal reserve, they gave him a bogus tribunal and dismissed all his evidence that his money was properly backed. He was sent to jail for 10 yrs because our present constitution (of 1990) failed him. His biggest regret was having faith in our constitution.

These things bother me. We may need a revolution.

(I have a Queensryche song in my head right now, "Revolution calling".)

I recommend everybody buys a copy of Behold a Pale Horse. You don't have to believe everything, but he states facts backed up by documentation and confirmation by many insiders. A lot of what has happened while we have been asleep.

Makes me really appreciate guys like Ron Paul who want take the constitution back to how it was intended. We have raped it.

Did you know that we allowed Article VI of our constitution to give the treaties we have with the UN to supercede the constitution? In other words, the laws of the UN prevail beyond our very own sovereignty. We are practically already in a New World Order today.

The 4/19 movement might interest you as you mentioned the UN has powers to override the US-I warned you you were opening a big ol' can of worms here :0-the Montana Militia fear the Blue caps -(the UN peace keepers ) more than the US Govt.-
When you cannot move far enough away so as the govt. will let you live in peace and as you wish-things are very screwed up-. Randy Weaver moved to Snake River , Idaho-as close to BF Egypt as a man can get -yet they still harassed him !! Then killed his wife ,son ,unborn son and the Family dog !! HE had to have been in the right to win a case against the FTA and the FBI as well as the US govt et al !!

[r.payton@att.net]

After long-term surveillance, the Deputy Director of the Special Operations Group of the Marshals Service recommended against a tactical assault on the Weaver residence. He recommended that the indictment be dismissed and then refiled later under seal, so that Weaver would be unaware of the new indictment, in hope of causing him to drop his guard. An undercover operation could then be executed to arrest Weaver without incident. His recommendation was rejected.
On Aug. 21, 1992, several well-armed U.S. Marshals went to the Weaver property to clandestinely survey it; they hoped to update their information about the property, since it had last been surveyed in May 1992. The group had strict orders that they were to avoid all contact with the Weaver family. According to a Department of Justice report on the incident,[7] the marshals were detected by the Weavers' dogs and began to retreat.[8] Randy Weaver's 14-year-old son Sammy and his house guest, 24-year-old family friend Kevin Harris,[3] left the house to investigate, both carrying firearms. The DOJ report corroborates this with a statement dictated by Randy Weaver to his daughter, in which he says that "Approximately 11:30 Friday morning....the dogs started barking like they always do when strangers walk up the driveway. Kevin, and Sam ran out to the rock with their weapons." Eventually the Marshals stopped retreating and took up defensive positions in the woods.
The sequence of events during the ensuing shootout is disputed, with Weaver and Harris saying that the camouflaged marshals fired first[3] and did not identify themselves. The marshals' version of events is when they were rising to identify themselves, they were fired on first by Sammy and Harris.[3][8] Whatever version is correct, Sammy Weaver was shot in the back and arm by federal agents while U.S. Marshal William Degan was shot in the chest.[3] Both died. After this, the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) was called in to assist with the situation. Much controversy was later generated by the fact that, after the first day's events, the FBI had changed its usual rules of engagement; specifically, "deadly force can and should be used against any armed adult male if the shot could be taken without a child being injured."[9] No request for surrender or announcement of officials' presence would be needed to shoot.[8]
The next day, August 22, 1992, HRT sniper/observer teams were deployed on the north ridge overlooking the cabin. Randy Weaver, Harris, and Weaver's 16-year-old daughter Sara were seen outside the cabin. Weaver went to view the body of Sammy Weaver,[8] which had been placed in a shed after being recovered the previous day. Weaver's back was to FBI HRT sniper Lon Horiuchi. Horiuchi aimed to sever Weaver's spine for an instant kill. Weaver moved in the last split second as Horiuchi fired and the bullet entered Weaver's right shoulder and exited the armpit.[10] As the three ran back to the house, Horiuchi fired again at Kevin Harris as he ran away, but this time hit Weaver's wife Vicki in the head as she held their 10-month-old daughter Elishiba at the door.[11] Vicki Weaver collapsed on the floor, dying instantly with her bloody but uninjured daughter in her arms. Harris was hit in the chest by the same bullet. A Justice Department review later found this second shot was unconstitutional and the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover and could not pose an imminent threat. The task force also specifically blamed Horiuchi for firing at the door, not knowing whether someone was on the other side of it, and criticized those who had decided on the special rules of engagement allowing shots to be fired with no previous request for surrender.[8] Much later, a robot vehicle approached the cabin and announced the presence of law enforcement. According to the Weavers, this was the first announcement of the source of the violence.[citation needed]
A stand-off ensued for 10 days as several hundred federal agents surrounded the house, in which Weaver and his three surviving children remained with Harris and the body of Vicki Weaver, under a blood-soaked blanket.[3] During the stand-off, the government force, which numbered 350 to 400 men, had named their temporary camp "Camp Vicki".[12] The negotiators who later claimed they did not know Vicki was dead would call out in the morning 'Vicki, we have blueberry pancakes.' To Sara Weaver inside with her dead mother's body, they were deliberately taunting the survivors.[13][14][15] A vigil was maintained at the Ruby Creek Bridge by protesters who believed the government actions were heavy-handed. James "Bo" Gritz, then a third-party presidential candidate who had formerly been Weaver's commanding officer during the Vietnam War, served as a mediator between Weaver and the government. Eventually, Weaver elected to abandon the stand-off and surrender.
I still get mad as hell every time I read this account from Wikipedia !!!

[leglace]

James Bo Gritz, another guy mentioned in Cooper's book. It was alleged that he was one 3 people in posessionof an unaltered video of JFK's shooting that showed the driver shot him.

[r.payton@att.net]

James Bo Gritz, another guy mentioned in Cooper's book. It was alleged that he was one 3 people in posessionof an unaltered video of JFK's shooting that showed the driver shot him.

As most people know -the character RAMBO was based upon Col. Gritz-Cooper is unsure where Gritz stood as he was still in the military during a lot of US led miliary Coups-I think Gritz finally got tired of all the BS and left it behind-in a biography of gritz I read where he was so despondant upon learning the evils he was help perpetratre that he ,at times , had his .45 in his mouth-then he decided to fight rather than give up.
WHY is Gritz still on the FBI's ''persons of interests '' list ? Perhaps, just like Butler,THE most decorated Marine in history-he was fed up with all the BS ! He wrote a book entitled ''War as Racket'' which i recommend highly. In this book he declares WAR is just a way for international bankers to collect their money.